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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Huckabee Storms Colbert Set to Play Electoral Air Hockey |
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http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=43554
Yes! Hello?
You think you can score with Texas?
Yes indeed. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Funny stuff. Huckabee has a sense of humor. |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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I was watching analysis on MSNBC and one of the punditos made a valid point. Huckabee doesn't need to get out of the race. He has enough money to keep touring around. He's getting enough exposure through established media that he doesn't need to pay for adds. The people that like him don't need to be convinced, and by targeting specific races, like Texas, he stays in the discussion. It doesn't matter if he gets the VP slot, something I think it fairly unlikely, he's having fun and this is just a stepping stone to either running in four years with increased name recognition or making bank doing speaking gigs for the rest of his life.
Hell, he might even start a travelling tent church. He is a preacher and he plays bass. I would pay to see that. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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What do you suppose Huckabee's endgame is at this point...?
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee will win the Kansas Republican caucuses, CNN projects... |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher,
It's hard to say. He's got a couple of choices. 1) I can stay in it for the duration (or as long as he has the money to do so) even if McCain clinches the nomination; 2) He can suspend his campaign like Romney and perserve his delegates; 3) He stay in it until McCain clinches and try to amass as many delegates as possible and then try to work a deal with him. There are probably more then I can think of this morning. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Kansas just majorly embarrassed John McCain. He's been trying to make himself acceptable to the conservative wing, and Kansas says, "It ain't enough."
This does not bode well for McCain in November. Many conservatives are going to stay home in droves or vote for some independent candidate. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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It certainly doesn't say much for McCain given the fact he had Senator Brownback's endorsement.
This is the same Senator Brownback who opposed Oregon's Death with Dignity Law. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Milwaukiedave wrote: |
There are probably more th[a]n I can think of this morning. |
How about "play the spoiler?" He can and in fact is showing that faultlines exist and is therefore undermining McCain's position as uncontested frontrunner. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Milwaukiedave wrote: |
There are probably more th[a]n I can think of this morning. |
How about "play the spoiler?" He can and in fact is showing that faultlines exist and is therefore undermining McCain's position as uncontested frontrunner. |
I think we both know there are major fault lines within the Republican Party already, you can't put the blame soley on Huckabee's shoulders. All the crap that's gone wrong in the last 8 years is the party's fault. They have failed to allow moderates any say, they have failed to reign in on the endless scandles instead of telling people to knock it off.
I also have a problem with the inevitablity factor (or the "I deserve it" syndrome). There has been backlash against that in the Democratic Party. If the Republicans nominate McCain, then that's fine by me. But by telling Huckabee to drop out, you are saying, "let's give him the nomination." That doesn't work with me. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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This was in another thread from yesterday, but it is on the same topic. I'll quote myself:
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Roland Martin (CNN contributor and talk-show host on WVON-AM in Chicago, Illinois) on CNN said no one should be pushed out so the rest of the country has a chance to have a say in things. I have to agree with him, even if it appears someone has won the nomination, everyone should have a say.
Note: He's defending Huckabee, just to put it in context. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see Gopher's post as saying Huck should drop out. All I see is that Gopher is stating facts. There are faultlines in the Republican Party. Yesterday Huckabee seriously embarrassed McCain by winning two states. That undermines McCain. It may not undermine his nomination but it may well undermine his strength. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for that. You may be the first poster here ever to recognize my position exactly as I have stated it, dryly, no more no less, without making it into something that it is not, requiring a retroactive disclaimer from me and provoking a probable long, drawn-out argument based on someone else's touchiness. (And I do not address you per se, Milwaukiedave, inasumuch as a slew of others who post here and entangle me in such nonsense on a regular basis.)
I do not opine on any "should" issues with respect to Huckabee. I have no idea -- and truly I do not care. Whether I personally want him to withdraw from the race or not is entirely irrelevant to what will or will not occur. Also, as I have said before, I would be satisfied if either McCain, Clinton, or perhaps Obama won the presidency. That, for me, at least, is the correct order, but, at the end of the day, I would count either of those results a victory. I diversified my emotional investment in this election weeks ago. And things have gone my way more than I imagined possible. (I hoped but did not believe McCain would have made it this far.)
I merely noted, above, that Huckabee, consciously or not, cultivates the divisions that will likely destabilize and probably topple the Republicans as this election season continues to unfold. Huckabee cannot win the nomination, and his noble appeal to the religious right notwithstanding, I do not think a miracle in this case will be forthcoming. Rather, he is poised to bring a plague upon his house... |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Milwaukiedave wrote: |
They have failed to allow moderates any say |
If you look at the big picture nearly all Republicans are moderates, as are nearly all Democrats. Anyone who's not a moderate is instantaneously labled a wacko.
Not to mention that a non-moderate has no chance of being elected president for the simple fact that you have to be able to appeal to everyone to stand a chance. |
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stillnotking

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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If anything, Huck has killed his VP chances by staying in the race. (Not that he really had a chance to begin with.)
I think he is simply making an ideological statement, and allowing conservative voters to make one. He just wants to prove to McCain that McCain's got a lot of bridges to (re)build before conservatives will accept him.
Ironically, this will probably make a McCain candidacy a tougher sell, especially if the GOP keeps pulling stupid crap like refusing to count all the votes in WA. If Huck supporters feel disenfranchised, or like they're being told to shut up and fall in line, they may get ornery.
Here's another question: will McCain remaining in the race help Hillary? Texas and Ohio both have open primaries; if there is no GOP race, a lot of independents and Republicans might vote in the D primary, which would likely be an edge for Obama. If Huck stays in, Obama loses some of those votes.
Ultimately, though? It's a sideshow. Just like Huck's candidacy has been from the very beginning. He's even less acceptable to the GOP as a whole than McCain is. He will never be President. |
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