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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: Rural Area Living??? |
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While Seoul is tempting due to everything civilized and modern being located there, I am wondering how rural based teachers deal with the problem of taking care of business that must be handled during a weekday in a larger city. Things like financial services and immigation matters are of concern such as the need to buy a U.S. money order, wire money home, or visit immigration for a multi-entry visa or a visa extension. How do you obtain necessary transportation to teach in several rural schools before buying a motor bike?
These foreseen concerns are very important to take into consideration and to be inquired about as you may be the only one present (only foreigner) who has these special needs as everyone else present may be Korean and not quite understand that you need a work day off on occassion to go to Seoul.
My question: Rural teachers, particularly public school teachers, how do you take care of these matters being that banks and immigation offices are only open during a weekday which is always a work day where you must be at work? Any transportation to work issues? If so, how are they remedied?
I have been following the post of ensuring you are placed in a rural area when teaching for a public school and am seriously interested in Gangwando for my 2nd year in Korea. The idea of being able to have access to clear spring fed trout fishing streams and fresh air in Gangwondo while being 1 hour from Seoul are just enticing. The idea of the local people being friendly and sincere when you show them a little respect just rocks. |
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kiwigal
Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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My schools are based near a town, so I'm not too far from banks, postal services and there is an immigration office in my town.
However, I work at a public school following 9-5 weekday hours. Physically getting to the bank or post office in those hours is difficult. All my banking and post office needs are dealt with by skipping lunch on Mondays when I work at the elementary school in the town. It's quite good as it gives me a break to walk around and deal with those errands.
I can walk/bus/bike/get a ride with a co-teacher to work. |
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andrew

Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Rural Area Living??? |
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Does 20,000 in town count as rural?
There is a Nongyup bank for sending money overseas (I've done it), post office for money orders, mailing. And your employer handles the immigration office, which is in a very small city/large town half an hour away (shorter distance than a subway ride!) by frequent bus. The bus system in this country is so good that when one lives in a rural setting/small town, you still can go to any city you need to, quickly, conveniently and cheaply.
There are two foreigners in the public schools here and they walk to work, one of them taking a 2500 won cab ride on a hot day to avoid the 10-minute walk to the middle school. Pedal bikes are ulta cheap and even scooters in a small town are cheaper than a night out in Seoul can sometimes be.
Great fishing here near the south coast too. (Namhae Island, Jinju, Hadong, even coastal Tongyeong and rural Gyeongsangnamdo is close to nature and to Busan) |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Rural Area Living??? |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
My question: Rural teachers, particularly public school teachers, how do you take care of these matters being that banks and immigation offices are only open during a weekday which is always a work day where you must be at work? Any transportation to work issues? If so, how are they remedied? |
Tell your minder that you need to leave the school for an hour after lunch to take care of your banking. Grab the bus into the nearest area that has the bank and post office and take care of business.
Unless your school is big enough to keep you busy with an afternoon program it is usually not a problem. Simply sign out, do your business and sign back in. The book will be in the vice principal's offiice.
For that one time a year that you need to go to immigration (for your ARC and re-entry stamp), simply make arrangements and take a 1/2 or full day off as necessary. If you do it during the summer or winter holiday then it is even easier because no-one needs to juggle the schedule.
Your house and school should be on public transit routes so transportation should not be an issue. |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I live in a town of 16,000. When I need to go to the bank I can skip out for an hour or two and take care of that at the Nonghyeop Bank in town. (Likewise, I can take care of anything I need to do at the post office during this time, too). However, I do have two KEB accounts. This could've been remedied, I guess, if I had opened a Nonghyeop account, although when I arrived in town things were pretty hectic and if I were to open a new account I wouldn't have been paid promptly (long story). So, if I want to send money home, I have to wait until there's a school holiday that doesn't fall on a national holiday . . . then I can go to Gwangju, the nearest city, and take care of that.
I haven't dealt with immigration yet, as my paperwork was handled during orientation. I don't have to worry about a multiple re-entry visa, as an American, so I can't answer questions about that. I will have to go to a pension office soon, as my contract expires in August. It's an important task, so I'll probably take a day off (things wind down in my public elementary school during June and July, so it won't be a problem).
I work at three rural elementary schools. I walk to two, and I take a 10 minute bus ride to the other. I get paid a small amount extra each time I make a trip to other schools to cover transportation costs, even if I walk. As I'm not about to drive, this suits me just fine. There are roughly 10 schools in my county that don't have a foreign teacher anymore, as the guy who used to teach there left in March. The county is wary of giving these schools to me, however, as it'd be impractical to try to get to all of these places, even with a car or scooter.
I don't know anything about EPIK, but I do know other recruiters hire for Gangwon-do, and they offer better salary and vacation. If you're in a rural part of the province I'm sure you'll be working at mutiple schools. However, your recruiter should tell you up front where you'll be. I interviewed for positions in Gangwon-do before ultimately deciding on Jeollanam-do, and the recruiter told me where I'd be if I sign.
Your right about the perks of living in the country. I've found the people very friendly, provided you, too, make the effort. And with a public school job you'll have more free time to explore other parts of the country (an opportunity I didn't have while at a hagwon). Plus, if you're in Gangwon-do you could easily make weekend trips to Seoul if you get cabin fever. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Living in a rural area really pets the onus on you to learn Korean. I'd encourage anyone thinking about living outside of Seoul at all to go ahead and start studying so you won't find yourself doing charades for an unimpressed banker and blaming them for not knowing your language.  |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Qinella wrote: |
Living in a rural area really pets the onus on you to learn Korean. I'd encourage anyone thinking about living outside of Seoul at all to go ahead and start studying so you won't find yourself doing charades for an unimpressed banker and blaming them for not knowing your language.  |
Not me.
I bring an adult student with me (there's always some willing to interact outside of class, in fact, many are eager to help you on a shopping trip, to give tours of local sights, help with bank tellers, whatever, at least here in rural areas. )
I think it's easier to not know any Korea in rural areas! in one key way... whenever I look puzzled, someone rushes up to practice their English and ask if they may help me. But when I visit Seoul or Busan I can look puzzled for a long time and nobody gives a dang. That's the difference.
And for those times when indeed I end up losing out on something, get overcharged or simply can't communicate something with a non-English practicing Korean, well, I just chalk that up to the cost of no having learned the language! I don't blame them for not learning English. Never have, never will. It's an attitude thing. I remember us laughing way back in university when a professor told a long drawn-out account of a Westerner who travelled overseas and demanded that everyone in nonEnglish speaking countries speak English, seriously expecting them to! I decided a long time ago, I wasn't going to be that guy. Don't be that guy. |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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My post office doesn't do money orders, or at least they won't for me.
Sometimes the school has a test or some other day where there are
no classes and I can make run to Wonju to KEB.
Do all post offices do money orders? Did my post office lie to me? |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: you might find out... |
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You may find living in the rural areas of Gangwon-do to be rather refreshing in some ways, while frustrating in others...As far as the quality of life, it it much slower and relaxed, except on weekends when all the people from the big cities decide they want to travel and see the country...Night life is quite different because there are really no "foreign" establishments for meeting your English speaking friends...
As far as the banking and immigration things...You will have a different immigration office to go to rather than the one you are familiar with now...For me in Cheongpyeong, I must go to Uijonbu to do my paperwork...Depending on where you want to be in Gangwon-do, your office could be in Chuncheon or some other location...The banks are friendly for the most part, but I always take my Korean wife with me or have her do the banking simply to ensure everything is communicated correctly...It really helped and we are doing fine...Have a Korean friend help you and it should be no problem...
What to do in the rural areas is another thing...If you are a person who likes nature and adventure, then the rural life is for you, because there are tons of things to do that are nature oriented...If you like movies and social activities then you will have to travel to some larger city to find something you want...Generally the rural areas have an enormous amount of festivals going on practically every weekend some where...
I have lived in the rural areas of South Korea for three of my four years here and I really wouldn't trade the relaxation for the smog and congestion of the big cities...That certainly had an affect on my decision to stay in Korea long term (indefinitely)
Hope this helps... |
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LuckyNomad
Joined: 28 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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I live in a small Gangwon-do town. I only know of 2 other westerners who live in my town. That's a plus in my opinion because being a foreigner is much more of a novelty. People in the country are very friendly. I think that goes without saying virtually anywhere in the world. People in New Hampshire are going to be much friendlier than people in LA.
Many people on this board who live in the big cities seem to hate Korea. I think that judging all of Korea by what you experience in Itaewon, is like a Korean, who speaks no english, who works in a crummy job in New York City for 1 year, and has no American friends, judging the entire US population by what they experienced in New York City. They would come out with an inaccurate opinion of the US.
Small town life is very nice because you have a lot of Korean friends and aquaintances.
Never had any trouble at the local stores because they're mostly owned by the parents of the kids I teach.
Never had any problems with the NongHyeop in my town. I've sent millions of won back to the states from there. |
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malysahhh
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: Point me in the right direction? |
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Wow, I really really REALLLLLLLLLY want to move to a small town.
I am considering Jinju, Tongyeong, Suncheon (even though I've never been)... I think Tongyeong may be the best for me. Please, if you live in Tongyeong, and you know of a job opening in a public school this fall, let me know. I have been in Seoul for two years too long, and am ready to learn about real Korea. I think it will be so much more fun to practice Korean down south, and learn a bit of 사투리. ^^
Thanks |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: you might find out... |
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tob55 wrote: |
You may find living in the rural areas of Gangwon-do to be rather refreshing in some ways, while frustrating in others...As far as the quality of life, it it much slower and relaxed, except on weekends when all the people from the big cities decide they want to travel and see the country...Night life is quite different because there are really no "foreign" establishments for meeting your English speaking friends...
As far as the banking and immigration things...You will have a different immigration office to go to rather than the one you are familiar with now...For me in Cheongpyeong, I must go to Uijonbu to do my paperwork...Depending on where you want to be in Gangwon-do, your office could be in Chuncheon or some other location...The banks are friendly for the most part, but I always take my Korean wife with me or have her do the banking simply to ensure everything is communicated correctly...It really helped and we are doing fine...Have a Korean friend help you and it should be no problem...
What to do in the rural areas is another thing...If you are a person who likes nature and adventure, then the rural life is for you, because there are tons of things to do that are nature oriented...If you like movies and social activities then you will have to travel to some larger city to find something you want...Generally the rural areas have an enormous amount of festivals going on practically every weekend some where...
I have lived in the rural areas of South Korea for three of my four years here and I really wouldn't trade the relaxation for the smog and congestion of the big cities...That certainly had an affect on my decision to stay in Korea long term (indefinitely)
Hope this helps... |
Excellent post!
Ditto most of these. Some people like the countrylife. It's slower there definately more onus on you to adapt and fit in. You stick out more so having a good level of behaviour is important.
My city has 30 000 people. There's only 10 PS Native teachers and probably about 20 hagwon teachers from what I've heard, although I've not met of had contact with all of them.
Being at PS, if there are any pressing issues like bank, doctors or post office it's easy to fit those in. Post Offices close at 6pm so it's easy to get to them after school. I set up my mobile phone and internet/landline payments by direct debit and I set up a standing order for sending money home every month. I very rarely have to go to the bank. The school gives me time off if I ever need to go to the doctors.
Anything like Immigration is important and you can easily get time off to go, I go with my co-teacher if I need to go.
Chose the country and wouldn't swap this gig for any city job. So much more laid back. I live at the bottom of a mountain which I love to walk up a couple of times a week. I don't notice being stared at, doesn't bother me really, not paranoid enough to think that everyone is looking at me.
I think the kids are a lot nicer in the country as well. They come from farming families so are humble. Out of the 400 I teach, I wouldn't class a single one as bad as some of the difficult, pretentious kids you hear about on here.
Just be ready to give up the creature comforts you'd expect from home, fit in and enjoy the experience, try something a bit different. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Point me in the right direction? |
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malysahhh wrote: |
Wow, I really really REALLLLLLLLLY want to move to a small town.
I am considering Jinju, Tongyeong, Suncheon (even though I've never been)... I think Tongyeong may be the best for me. Please, if you live in Tongyeong, and you know of a job opening in a public school this fall, let me know. I have been in Seoul for two years too long, and am ready to learn about real Korea. I think it will be so much more fun to practice Korean down south, and learn a bit of 사투리. ^^
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I don't about Tongyeong, but Jinju and Suncheon are cities. They have 200-400,000 people living there. Suncheon has well over 100 western English teachers as well as lots of other foreigners such as engineers. It's not rural living =) |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: Re: you might find out... |
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tob55 wrote: |
What to do in the rural areas is another thing...If you are a person who likes nature and adventure, then the rural life is for you, because there are tons of things to do that are nature oriented...If you like movies and social activities then you will have to travel to some larger city to find something you want... |
It depends on the kind of adventure you want. I'm in Yeosu on the south coast and though it's got pretty clean air and lovely scenery, it sucks for mountain biking. There's basically no one to ride with here. Sure, some nice middle-aged Korean guys have very expensive mountainbikes, but they ride them on sealed and dirt roads 95% of the time. The only Korean guy I've met who is cool to go biking with is married with two very young kids and lots of weddings and family obligations.
You can be happy anywhere in Korea if it's hiking you want to do, but if you are into outdoor sports like road biking, mountain biking, kayaking and so on, you're probably better off in one of the bigger cities where you'll have more luck finding Koreans into the same thing.
Like I said however, the scenery is nice. |
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