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[Roch]

The renowned international hysteria surrounding alleged sex crimes against kids by teens and adults coupled with the common knowledge that police around the world have, historically, been known to use violent force and other repulsive means to coerce innocent people to falsely "admit" to crimes that, of course, they did not commit gives us all a cause or reason to be sceptical about the news reports from Rutland, Vermont, U.S.A. concerning the alleged confessions to charges of sexual assault and lascivious behavior against Mr. Park Han Se.

Roch humbly requests all of you who are consumed with a sense of passion for Justice to remember this before believing the charges against this very young man.

In addition to the distinct possibility of the use of brutality against the accused by Rutland policemen is the student's probable lack of sophistication in the nuances of the English language. Throw into that the culturally-enforced predisposition of young Koreans to never question their superiors gives us additional reason or cause to feel a sufficient amount of scepticism face-to-face the charges against Mr. Park.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

Roch

[Typhoon]

I haven't really been following this story. Have there been reports of violence or mistreatment of this kid in order to get a confession? Are there kids that are accusing him too?

[Kimchieluver]

The topic title is deliberately misleading. You have even less knowledge than the local media in this case. I can see you advocating your position on the other thread, but to start a topic with an unknown or credible source and based purely on your ideals is wrong. Are you deliberately trying to troll.

[Roch]

You have raised some excellent questions for me.

Thanks.

You're right, K.L., about a lack of sources for my concern for the kids welfare while he's in State's custody.

It can be argued fairly, too, that I'm "reaching" or just plain wrong-headed in my rush-to-defense of the kid.

We all know, regardless of social class, that too many police officers and mere patrol types are plainly wicked sorts of people while many, many others are examplary in terms of their honesty, bravery, and sense of compassion.

Is it wrong-headed, though, to know about the many, many, many factual stories about false acusations of sexual abuse dating back to the '70s and read the story about Pak and, then, 4 or 5 minutes later, think to yourself: " Nah, something might be wrong with this tale?"

In this context, I do not believe that I've made a logical error in WONDERING if the state's case against the guy is an honest or good one.

Respectfully,

R

[Kimchieluver]

Hey, I know where you are coming from. Tons of visible minorities are falsely charged with and convicted by brutal police with fabricated or diluted evidence in both the US and Canada. Native Americans in Saskatchewan can either confess or or be driven out to some remote farm and left to die in -40 celsius weather. However, jumping to this guys defence just on the idea that it might be the case may be okay, but to title the thread the way you did seems a little premature.

[Roch]

[PBRstreetgang21]

I totally sympathize with OP though. Im not jumping to the guys defense but I just remember some years ago when a good friend of mine was accused of molestation (which the child, who was 6, later retracted as an elaborate attention ploy). Even though the issue was resolved in less than week, it was emotionally traumatic for my friend for years after that. She was afraid to alone around children afterwards and quit her fairly well paying, part time babysitting job (with other people's kids not the one in question) as a direct result.

Sexual Assault on children is one of those few crimes out there where accusation is tantemount to Guilt. A person can be completely innocent but once, the finger is pointed the scarlet letter remains.

Which let's assume for the record this man is guilty, and play devil's advocate here. What I am shocked most about this case is what this kid is facing-- LIFE. I mean there are places (even in the States) where RAPE doesn't even constitute life imprisonment. You can get your blood alcohol level up to .4 and kill a 16yr old girl on her way home for Thanksgiving and not get life. Its amazing that at 19 years old, this could be it for him. I mean in no way do I even tacitly condone this sort of heinous behavior, but I think there has to come a point where you wonder if this isnt a two victim story here. What's this kid's background? Was he molested? Was he abused? I mean, when I see headlines similair to this, I tend to look at these people (including this kid, which is exactly what he is-- a kid himself) not as hardened crimminals, but as mental patients, patients in need of their own help.

[Smee]

That's a good point, PBRStreetgang. Sentencing laws are pretty screwed up, and there are a lot of cases where a kid gets life in prison. And we don't know his backstory, and it might be yet another case where a kid is pushed to throw his future away because of a thrown away past. Our prisons are full of people like that.

Anyway, it's remarkable that there isn't more information on this out there. It sounds like an unpleasant story, but it's tough to condemn a person based on testimony of a 4- and 6-year old.

[moosehead]

anyone who is sincerely interested in learning more about adults who have been sexually abused as children and how messed up their lives are now, here's a couple of websites:

Note: both include information for friends and family of survivors of csa (childhood sexual abuse)

www.malesurvivor.org

run by professionals includes an online forum/discussion board for men who are in various stages of recovery from sexual abuse, including by women; also some were victimized as adults as well (such as male rape in prisons or the military).

www.pandys.org

pandys is short for pandora's aquarium and is set up for women who were sexually abused as children


the statistics are growing everywhere that boys are being molested in greater numbers than thought in the past. research is also growing that shows women are a greater number of perpetrators than previously believed. unfortunately, society holds that for a teenage boy to have sex with an older female, or even adult, it is a "good" thing and he should be considered "lucky."

many men have encountered this stereotype for a number of years and could not understand their dysfunctional problems in relationships, alcoholism, porn addictions and other serious behavioral problems until they confronted the fact that they had, indeed, been sexually abused.

it's not a pretty story and not one for the squeamish. it takes a lot of courage and self-preservation to survive childhood sexual abuse. it takes even more to recover from its trauma. no doubt there are some of you who left your home countries trying to get away from bad memories and found they are still with you, here in Korea.

Yet Korea has yet to even come close to where the West is when it comes to dealing with childhood sexual abuse. Check out the websites above if you are so inclined, or pass it on to a friend if you think you know of someone who might be interested.

I hope this helps and I hope all of you will stand up to this terrible atrocity that hurts so many innocent children.

[Beej]

So you are saying that the Vermont police beat a confession out of this guy?

[moosehead]

I might also add that contrary to how many people want to believe children cannot tell about such stories and be believed, quite the opposite is true.

BELIEVE THE CHILDREN

often, the perps convince the children they won't be believed and continue the abuse for years until the child grows up

BELIEVE THE CHILDREN it is the least one can do.

[Beej]

[moosehead]

[Kimchieluver]

I got drunk and was savagely abused by a fat chick. I don't remember her name, so I can't take any legal actions. I am scarred for life. I just remember saying to myself "I hope my friends don't find out about this".

Sorry to make light of such an issue, but this thread is a joke. The title sucks and there is no basis which the OP can support his claim.

[Beej]