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Rapacious Mr. Batstove

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: Central Areola
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| The renowned international hysteria surrounding alleged sex crimes against kids by teens and adults coupled with the common knowledge that police around the world have, historically, been known to use violent force and other repulsive means to coerce innocent people to falsely "admit" to crimes that, of course, they did not commit gives us all a cause or reason to be sceptical about the news reports from Rutland, Vermont, U.S.A. concerning the alleged confessions to charges of sexual assault and lascivious behavior against Mr. Park Han Se. |
Evidence. Please. At least do some homework to back this up. I'm not fence jumping by buy any stretch of the imagination but at least make the effort.
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Did the children lie or not in the Mcmartin case? What does it matter how long ago it happened? |
this case is brought up repeatedly whenever people in denial want to change the subject regarding the frequency of childhood sexual abuse.
you are no different - one might want to ask why that is?
current statistics - and bear in mind, csa is considered underreported for many reasons, some of them obvious, has 1 out of 4 girls under the age of 16 will be sexually abused - and here's what a lot of people have difficulty with - for boys it's 1 out of 6 - some say for boys, it's higher, that is, the same or close to the same as that for girls.
perps use many devices to cover their actions - the most notable is:
if you tell anyone they won't believe you
other lies that are told:
I'll tell them you asked me to
you liked it, you started it, I was just doing what you wanted
it's your fault, you are so cute, so sexy, I couldn't help myself
I'll hurt/kill your (fill in the blank) if you tell - can be best friend, little sister/brother, puppy, etc.
and the list goes on...and the abuse goes on.....
often children bury the "secret" so deeply, it becomes manifest in their personality and they don't even think of it as pertinent to their inability to maintain healthy relationships, or their need to be stoned all the time, or hold a job, or anger issues - an entire host of dysfunctional problems manifest in society
and although childhood sexual abuse involves sexual activity, it is NOT about sex it IS about POWER - this is very important and something many adults also have difficulty understanding - it is very much about control and power from a very warped individual who takes advantage of a child in the worst possible way imaginable.
BELIEVE THE CHILDREN it's the best you can do. |
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Mebertz
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Suncheon
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: |
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The kids said that inappropriate things were done to them on 20 different occasions. Park confessed to this. To jump to a conclusion that Vermont police beat it out of him is pretty drastic. In fact, I would say a Korean national would be one of the least looked at suspects unless there was warrant to.
I am not surprised that out of such a sexually repressed nation, a nation where boys spend a lot of time touching each other while hiding their sexuality, that someone like this, in a place where there is much more freedom of expression, would choose to explore his sexuality in the manner in which he allegedly did.
Just my thoughts.
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| The report said he was arrested after investigation and he admitted the crimes. There is no reason to think a false confession was extracted and I can only think of when my own nephews were small and what I would have done to any bastard caught fiddling with them. There's a reason for 'hysteria' and that's because of the terrible nature of the crime. |
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PBRstreetgang21

Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Unless other evidence comes to light it would appear as of now, he is admitting his own guilt in the matter. So far as much as I want to defend every suspects right of "innocent until proven guilty" it seems in this case he most likely is. I read that when he had been arrested he waived his miranda rights right off the bat. Such an action leads me to believe (unless, and I am more than willing to be, shown otherwise) he admits his guilt in the events.
The larger question of course would be why? Why not lie and see if you can lawyer your way out of this. This is just a hunch, but I'd put money on it that if we follow this story carefully we'll see that this 19yr old kid probably was himself abused, at least physically and mentally if not sexually. I have no evidence to support that other than the fact that most pedophiles where them selves often the victims of pedophilia, or at least some form of abuse. I mean, a lot of Korean go to the US to study (they are the third largest foreign group for Universities after Chinese and Indians) you don't see those guys molesting kids. Something is up with this dude's past I bet.
I just wonder how long it will take in the US before we Americans realize that life in prison, or whatever else punishment we want to think up, isn't a deterant to pedophiles. More specifically when are we going to wake up to the reality that a lot of these pedophiles need significant mental and medical help of their own. Our "lock'em up and throw away the key" mentality is really keeping us from taking this problem on in a more preventative way.
Also, I sympathize with the "Believe the children" mentality. Especially considering how easily manipulated they are. But, as I have stated earlier, I have seen what happens when so-called "honest kids" do lie about these matters, and for the otherwise innocent accused, it is devasting. Listen to the children, examine the facts, the history, and be rational. Believeing ANYONE, child or suspect, right off the hop, does sometimes lead to the truth and it sometimes does more harm than good. The real problem in these sorts of cases is the complete and total lack of rational thought, as our disgust and emotional reaction really seem to overpower any sense of logic or compassion. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| Hey, I know where you are coming from. Tons of visible minorities are falsely charged with and convicted by brutal police with fabricated or diluted evidence in every country on earth |
I made a small adjustment to reflect reality.
Continue on. |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| What happened to the other thread? |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| Did the children lie or not in the Mcmartin case? What does it matter how long ago it happened? |
this case is brought up repeatedly whenever people in denial want to change the subject regarding the frequency of childhood sexual abuse.
you are no different - one might want to ask why that is?
Im not in any kind of denial. I dont doubt the severity or the frequency of child abuse. But you say "believe the kids" and I say believe the truth. Investigate. Trust but verify.
There have been innocent lives ruined by false accusations. Do you deny this? Kids lie, kids are coached by vindictive ex spouses, kids have wild imaginations. Be sure before you accuse, because the stigma will never go away even if exonerated.
Obviously you have a lot of emotional capital in this topic, I wonder why that is? |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
Im not in any kind of denial. I dont doubt the severity or the frequency of child abuse. But you say "believe the kids" and I say believe the truth. Investigate. Trust but verify.
There have been innocent lives ruined by false accusations. Do you deny this? Kids lie, kids are coached by vindictive ex spouses, kids have wild imaginations. Be sure before you accuse, because the stigma will never go away even if exonerated.
Obviously you have a lot of emotional capital in this topic, I wonder why that is? |
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excuse me? emotional capital? huh?
for offering legitimate information as well as resources so people can learn for themselves -
rather than depend on a cute cliche like some people who are too damn lazy to do any research of their own.  |
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moosehead

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