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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: Better Pay for Teachers |
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02-10-2008 18:03
Better Pay for Teachers
By Michael Stevens
The average English teacher today makes just under 22.8 million won a year, which may not look too bad for a twenty something-year-old. However, a qualified teacher will soon realize that one could make more money and not work anywhere near as hard, doing other things. Often they are told they will work short hours and be able to travel and see Korea. However, they quickly find out that early mornings are for students who need extra help, evenings are for lesson plans, breaks between classes are less than 10 minutes and weekends just aren't long enough to prepare for the next week's classes, let alone see the many sites of Korea.
According to the Education Ministry, one in every three teachers leave after the first year, and almost twice as many leave within three. If any other business had a turnover rate this high, something would be done to fix the problem. Education isn't just any business. It's the most important business around. For teachers are the educators of the human race.
Unfortunately, the current fashionable fixes for education fit terribly. Instead of simply acknowledging that starting salaries are woefully low and committing to increasing them, politicians have wasted decades obsessing with finding new ways to attract and hire new teachers, when they really should be trying to figure out how to keep the ones that are already here and have the experience. The ability to teach and be a good teacher isn't like working on an assembly line.
If a product has flaws on the production line, analysts consider all the possible reasons; substandard materials, design flaws, employee fatigue, etc. Teachers receive students from a society with deteriorating moral values, tremendous economic woes, increasing education costs and lowered family values, and the teachers are expected to produce a finished product from these types of raw materials. More sadly, if the product does not meet the government standards, the teacher is at fault.
It seems preposterous that a society complains that this nation is facing economic problems and then elects a president that has business experience. And yet, when speaking of educational matters, no one considers the fact that the president has never taught an English class. The greater truth is that the highest levels of academic authorities have come from administrative ranks and not from the classroom.
And so we have the voice of the inexperienced directing the classroom veterans and kids contaminated by their own society. Korea has a historic tradition of ignoring those who teach and then complaining about the quality of education. We lack logic and common sense. If Korea really wants to improve their educational system, they must retain the good teachers that they have instead of constantly hiring new teachers that have no experience. A college degree is no guarantee that a person has what it takes to teach English, what it takes is someone truly committed to making a difference in the children's lives.
The writer is an English teacher in Guri, Gyeonggi Province. He can be reached at [email protected]
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/opi_view.asp?newsIdx=18640&categoryCode=162 |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| We lack logic and common sense. |
Yes, we do.
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| kids contaminated by their own society |
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| students from a society with deteriorating moral values, tremendous economic woes, increasing education costs and lowered family values, |
How is this supposed to convince Koreans to support raising teacher salaries?
We should be thankful the circulation of the Korea Herald is low. If anyone knows the writer, please arrange to have the word 'Moron' tattooed to his forehead. |
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Mi Yum mi
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Does anyone ever listen to this assclown? The OP I mean. Not Yata. |
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Netz

Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Although I don't agree with the OP's overall analysis of the ESL industry here, I do agree that the problems he identifies are valid.
It can all be attributed to one thing.
Greed.
Korean culture has a very "soft policy" on lying. That's right, lying is quite "acceptable" here, especially if it helps achieve your end goal. Most Koreans would outright commit Federal perjury in order to protect a family member from prosecution. Transparency of Korean businesses is appaling. The newly elected President, a convicted white collar criminal, but is seen as a "good businessman" by the constituents!
Face it, this country creates it's own problems, by refusing to change and adapt to a globalized community.
Hey, Koreans, YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
But I digress.
All of the problems with the "English Education System" here could have been solved a long time ago, if people in the education business (slave traders) had been more concerned with the quality of the education they provided, instead of thier PROFIT.
And all this time, the Korean govenrment has done nothing to prevent the exploitation of foriegn workers, improve working conditions, and enforce laws already in place. At the same time they have allowed criminalistic business practices to continue, which has tainted thier entire education "system".
Too many Koreans, have made too much under the table money, off the backs of Foriegn English teachers for years, and THAT is the real reason for the "quality control" issues at hand.
Once Koreans learn to "fly straight" (KAFTA is going to be a HUGE incentive to get thier &#$% together), things will be improve.
I personally just don't see Korea solving any of the problems any time soon though, I mean they've had over 50 years to deal with North Korea, and look how much progress theyve made.
Yeah, right.
Anyway, I'm just enjoying watching all the political pandering these days, it more comedic than any "comedy" shows currently on Korean TV.
Until then.......say KIM CHI!
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Better Pay for Teachers |
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| garykasparov wrote: |
02-10-2008 18:03
Better Pay for Teachers
By Michael Stevens
The average English teacher today makes just under 22.8 million won a year..., |
The average English teacher makes 1.75+ million a month? With all these salaries of 2-3 million floating around these boards that must mean some teachers make a lot less. Wonder if he's including illegals (non-native speakers) and Filipino/Indians in this as well? |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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You want to "fix" the Korean English-education system? You have to define "fix." IF the problem is that many Koreans can't speak English well enough, then the solution is quite easy: Make speaking the focus of English language education instead of grammar and TOEIC. The teachers (believe it or not) are good enough. The students (believe it or not) are smart enough. They are just simply not required to do it right now.
Lee Myungbak who does seem to have more than his share of wild ideas in my opinion is actually moving in the right direction here: Make English teachers teach in English. Why not?
But, until the college enterance exam is changed to reflect the new focus of conversational English and until English is used as something other than a raw competition for places at elite universities and the highest paying jobs, there will always be grumbling and complaining no matter how competant the teacher.
Why? What else are you supposed to do when you loose the meritocracy game? It wasn't my fault: I could have been a contender if I had a better education, a better teacher, a better etc...
It is all about winners and loosers; it is not about meeting minimum qualifications. A good teacher gets you into the best university, the best job...A bad teacher doesn't. And, since 90% of all Koreans don't enter elite universities and get the highest paying jobs, 90% of all teachers are bad. You cannot change this.
At best, you can go abroad and try and go around the Korean system. (A great reason to learn English by the way).
If you think all these complaints about English education are about you, the foreign teacher, you aren't getting the full picture.
Koreans will compete and complain about the competition until they either escape Korea or stop being Koreans or they win the race. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Bad article....but equally bad response when netz refers to employers or people running the education market here as slave traders. I suggest you look up the word slave and pay close attention that what constitutes a state of slavery. I can pretty much garantee that slavery does not include freedom to leave for one thing...but hey. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I personally wish that the focus should not be on English Language Acquisition alone, but just on Language Acquisition overall.
Korea will be screwing itself by this single mindedness on English.
Yes I know, its just a pipe dream. |
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Netz

Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| Bad article....but equally bad response when netz refers to employers or people running the education market here as slave traders. I suggest you look up the word slave and pay close attention that what constitutes a state of slavery. I can pretty much garantee that slavery does not include freedom to leave for one thing...but hey. |
Ok Homer, you're right, I may have embellished a little over the top there. I probably should have referred to them as "people who flagrantly exploit foreign workers", but that that just seemed long winded. Ahem.
Maybe "indentured servitude" would have been better?
In all truth, I've lived in several different countries, and I have never seen an education "system" such as exists here, part of which includes practically government sanctioned exploitation of foreigners.
The really sad thing is, Koreans expect the rest of the world to give them respect, but it's a one way street for them. They have absolutely zero sense of ethics when dealing with anyone who is not genetically Korean.
Zero.
You are correct, people can just leave if they want, in fact most Koreans hope you do leave. It�s not like Koreans haven�t used the system to their advantage as well, forcing people out of employment early to avoid paying agreed upon monies. SO MANY foreign teachers who've come here have experienced firsthand the lying, cheating, stealing, blackmail, extor | | |