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Kuros
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 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: McCain's recent vote . . . |
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For Waterboarding
WTF?
Happily the bill [edit] passed on partisan lines. I guess McCain is trying to re-assert his conservative cred.
Boo. Boo, I say.
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I always respected McCain because I thought he had integrity. I'm hoping there was something else in the 'package' that would account for him voting against it. I can't see him changing his position just to garner votes from the conservatives, and if he did, he will lose a lot of votes from people who thought he was a man of principles. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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mithridates
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: McCain's recent vote . . . |
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| Kuros wrote: |
For Waterboarding
Very sensible
Sadly the bill failed on partisan lines. I guess McCain has some excellent ideas like Mr Bush on the threat civilization faces by the folks in question and what we should do with them. Muslim extremists should be straightforwardly physically removed from Western countries and detained in a manner analogous to Guantanamo.
Boo. Boo, I say. It was an excellent notion and our civilization, with our low fertility rates, greenhouse gas emmisions and toleration for Muslim immigration into civilized countries is suicidal |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: McCain's recent vote . . . |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
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For Waterboarding
Very sensible
Sadly the bill failed on partisan lines. I guess McCain has some excellent ideas like Mr Bush on the threat civilization faces by the folks in question and what we should do with them. Muslim extremists should be straightforwardly physically removed from Western countries and detained in a manner analogous to Guantanamo.
Boo. Boo, I say. It was an excellent notion and our civilization, with our low fertility rates, greenhouse gas emmisions and toleration for Muslim immigration into civilized countries is suicidal |
Fixed it. |
Oh, please. Waterboarding does not produce good intelligence. And I'm going to place the burden on those who support torture to show that it does. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: McCain's recent vote . . . |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
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For Waterboarding
Very sensible
Sadly the bill failed on partisan lines. I guess McCain has some excellent ideas like Mr Bush on the threat civilization faces by the folks in question and what we should do with them. Muslim extremists should be straightforwardly physically removed from Western countries and detained in a manner analogous to Guantanamo.
Boo. Boo, I say. It was an excellent notion and our civilization, with our low fertility rates, greenhouse gas emmisions and toleration for Muslim immigration into civilized countries is suicidal |
Fixed it. |
Bigot. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: McCain's recent vote . . . |
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| Kuros wrote: |
For Waterboarding
WTF?
Happily the bill failed on partisan lines. I guess McCain is trying to re-assert his conservative cred.
Boo. Boo, I say. |
Holy cow. The Senate did something right? Can we trade the waterboarding thing for getting rid of retroactive telecom immunity? Nah, I guess the telcos have better lobbyists. Oh -- and the bill actually passed. McCain voted against it. I assume that was a typo.
McCain's vote is a little odd -- traditionally, candidates move to the middle after they win a primary. My guess is that McCain saw this as a "cheap" way to throw a bone to conservatives, while being able to spin his vote as a vote against the bill as a whole (it's an omnibus intel bill).
The real question is, will Bush veto it solely on the basis of waterboarding? Probably not; he'll just issue a signing statement that he does not consider himself bound by that aspect of the bill. Per usual.
Man, I remember the good ol' days when the President was actually supposed to, y'know, obey the law. |
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