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Bill would make it illegal to feed the obese
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Should it be illegal for restaurants to serve obese individuals?
Yes, it is our taxes that are paying for the treatment of their heath problems because of obesity.
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No, they have a right to the same service as the thin
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to height/weight charts, my brother is obese.

My brother is a ripped firefighter Marine. He can run a mile in under 6 mins, he can bench press twice his own weight.

My God, that law is such bullshit. I'm trying to figure out what the politicians who brought it up are trying to do. I mean, politicians bring up dumb bills all the time, but what was the purpose of this one?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This rule would do nothing but create more trouble. What needs to be done is to examine the cause(s) of obesity (crappy diet, poor health, work, stress, etc) and try to come up with solutions to the problem. Turning away people because they're too obese will just make them feel like outcasts in their own communities.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And isn't Mississippi one of the fattest States, if not the fattest? So that means that a) most people going to any restaurant are going to be fat AND b) most of the employees are going to be fat. What, are they going to fire all the fat employees, too?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we used to go down to mississippi every year for the blues festival. it is a whole different world down there. cotton fields being worked by million dollar tractors and very little labor. gambling casinos would seem to be the biggest employer. a quiet, desperate place.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about those naturally thin people who eat like pigs? It isn�t really encouraging people to be healthy, just punishing some unhealthy eaters and not others.
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Draz



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

browneyedgirl wrote:
What about those naturally thin people who eat like pigs?


No such thing. You might see a thin person eat at McDonald's every day, but it's not like you follow them home to see what they're eating for the other 23 hours in a day.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously a better thing to do would be to invest a lot more in health initiatives, or even go so far as to create zoning laws that only permit certain amounts of fast food in different areas. In the States there is very little choice (as mamasan mentioned). I know of a few major thoroughfares in my hometown that are condensed with garbage food restaurants. McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell all in a row. If you want to skip out on franchised fast food you can have Chinese, Mexican, or local Burger restaurants. Wanna eat something a little upscale? There's Chili's, Outback, TGIF, and Applebee's. Then you can have a fine dessert at Dairy Queen or a Macchiato with whipped cream at Starbucks.

Where's the BOONSHIK??
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote:
What about those naturally thin people who eat like pigs?


No such thing. You might see a thin person eat at McDonald's every day, but it's not like you follow them home to see what they're eating for the other 23 hours in a day.


You've obviously never met my aunt.

Or a bulimic.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
OK, i am from the midwest. there are alot of people are not just fat but morbidly obese.

we need a complete rethinking on what is "food". fast food ten times a week isn't wise but when that's all there is time for...we'd work 10 hr days and not have an hour to spare for lunch. it was constantly busy.

there are soda machines in the schools. chips are everywhere. it is such a calorie rich environment it is crazy. lotsa calories but little nutrition. people get hooked on one thing or another and it takes conscientious effort to break its call. for me mountain dew code red was adictive. me and the handyman at the office we both hooked. we called it "liquid crack". that leaves you chasing a "sugar high" and you are always shoveling in crud. my secretary, a skinny little size 0 would suck down a six pack of dr.peppeer evryday at her desk and constantly be gnawing on ding dongs/ hohos. her metabolism is fine now but give her ten years.

terrible, bad, vicious eating habits. but alot of these people have no health insurance. who pays for they stomach removals, diabetes, etc? we do as the cost of saving them is passed onto everyone else.


I'm from the midwest as well and I went home after a 3 year absence and I was stunned by the number of overweight people; gender, age, class, race, it didn't matter. The fact that some of my own family members had also become fat made it that much more painful and ...what?..."in-your-face".

I don't blame the food but the people who consume it. People are losing self-control, self-respect, discipline and just plain lazy so they eat and drink enormous amounts but don't do anything to release all that energy and fat. It's when people can no longer govern themselves that the government steps in and tries to enact dumb laws or bills like that. Again, I don't fault the government either. The responsibility rests on the shoulders and stomachs of Americans. It's a shame really.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote:
What about those naturally thin people who eat like pigs?


No such thing. You might see a thin person eat at McDonald's every day, but it's not like you follow them home to see what they're eating for the other 23 hours in a day.



I know a guy who eats 6k calories a day and is skinnier than average. He isn't even that active. It's called metabolism. Some people's are higher than others.
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Ukon



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
browneyedgirl wrote:
What about those naturally thin people who eat like pigs?


No such thing. You might see a thin person eat at McDonald's every day, but it's not like you follow them home to see what they're eating for the other 23 hours in a day.


I've heard more than enough skinny guys complain about they can't get heavier no matter how hard they try....believe me, it's easy to try(those guys can pack away food like a whale I live with one.....he drank at least 5+ pepsi cans a day and was as thin as a 9 yr. old girl with no exercise ).


I think the real problem is lack of proper education on healthy choices....fad diets spread too much misinfortmation. I lost about 60 pounds myself and it was just through the basics (diet & exercise). Most fad diets are too impractical in the long term and thus many people fail.

Many people really don't care enough... especially older folks..many a doctor will lament that many will ignore orders to "exercise" unless it comes with impending death despite the fact it does wonders mentally and physically....hell, it's even effective in treating depression in many people.

Another factor....is fat friends! Or skinny friends who can eat whatever they want.....those guys always wanna order out or get extras.... F'ing enablers!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the flip side--should we force feed anorexics?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to defend the out of shape by saying it's not their responsibility, I know that my gut is there because I never work hard at getting rid of it.... but there are a few things missing from the argument:

1- By and large, the food affordable to the average North American is made of fat, chemicals, and sugar. This doesn't cause the obesity, but it contributes to it.

2- Modern living is sedentary. As was pointed out above, if your lifestyle as a desk-jockey doesn't give you a chance to burn calories, then you obviously won't.

Basically, obesity is a symptom of the machine that makes the modern world. For the most part, productive members of society don't need to be active members of society. Lets face it, thin model types, and sports players are not useful members of the culture. Desk jockeys that work ten hour days and never hit the gym, are.

3- Humans are designed to store fat due to evolving in an era where food wasn't easy to come by. Now it is easy to come by, but the genetics haven't changed to match.

Should the west lose it's relative wealth and comfortable lifestyle, you'll see obesity rates plummet. But easy access to food + easy modern lifestyle = more fat people than normal. No way around it.

Legislating it with a "freedom fries" level idiotic idea won't make it go away. But it IS possible to lessen the odds of the problem continuing into the future by legislating the food producers to stop filling their products up with junk, and getting into the schools and keeping the crappy food from getting to the kids. All the while educating them on the importance of moderation and exercise.

On that point: Moderation is not one of the virtues of our society. Being extreme in everything, is. This will also have to change.

It took two generations to get to this point, it'll take a couple to get it under control.
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crusher_of_heads



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Bill would make it illegal to feed the obese Reply with quote

skconqueror wrote:
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House Bill No. 282, which was introduced this month, says: Any food establishment to which this section applies shall not be allowed to serve food to any person who is obese, based on criteria prescribed by the State Department of Health after consultation with the Mississippi Council on Obesity Prevention and Management established under Section 41-101-1 or its successor.


http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/02/bill-would-make.html

I say good on them.


GOOD
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this bill sounds great!!! The obese should also be banned from grocery stores. If they want to eat, they have to grow their own until they slim down.
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