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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Gun ownership is supposedly sort of widespread in the R.O.K. The guns are stored at the local police stations. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Roch wrote: |
| Gun ownership is supposedly sort of widespread in the R.O.K. The guns are stored at the local police stations. |
Well, my friend, the police is an entirely appropriate place for guns because the police - and the state per se - exist to protect us, our rights, our happiness from the animalistic. I think gun ownership is madness, but it's a part of American culture. My dad's American and I understand the culture. Attack culture, not legality. Let's say the Dutch made handguns legal today. How many Dutch are gonna go out and buy a gun? Few at most. The Dutch know the more people that have guns the more statistically likely you are to be shot. The Americans don't get it. However Dutch society has numerous other problems that they don't get yet the Americans do get (cities 40% Muslim for instance). Cultures need to be changed in accordance with logic, and laws per se are totally peripheral. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Lest I appear an apologist for the US, let's all take a bite out of this little slice of reality....
Overall homicide rate per 100,000:
Germany: 1.6
USA: 7.5
So in the US, you're 79% more likely to be shot than in Germany.
Any questions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: niu |
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Holy crap!
Did you notice the stats for South Africa & Colombia?
RSA: 125.965
Colombia: 114.51
Canada: 2.12
Australia: 1.8802
England / Wales: 1.57
NewZealand: 1.3574
Ireland: 1.33
Singapore: 0.9457 |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Roch wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
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| ........I find it scary though that so many of you are saying the answer is "more guns" |
No sh*t.
You'd think there was some common sense in one of the richest, most developed countries on earth.
Ever looked at an NRA mag? Most of their "citizens must have guns" articles are marketed from an aspect of fear--"What will you DO when a criminal comes into your HOME???!!! or "Heroic old man shoots intruder--YOUR FAMILY IN DANGER---protect your rights!!!"
It's definetly aimed at the easily manipulated, not-so-smart individual.
Unfortunately they're in bed with the manufacturers, who have mountains of $ to lobby Washington. So until someone finally wakes up we'll just keep seeing the horrible headlines over and over and over again--almost weekly it seems. |
I thought that you were supposed to uphold the behaviour rules. You are a mod, eh. Why insult all people from the U.S.? |
You seem to be assuming that the NRA is representative of all Americans which I find to be insulting. |
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Fresh Prince

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of the problems with gun violence and cultural acceptance are systemic to low-income neighborhoods and the lower class (usually referred to as working class because it sounds nicer). Crimes involving guns rarely occur in middle and upper class areas, thus creating a sense of disbelief when people propose anti-gun legislation.
I imagine if this incident had occurred at a liquor store in an impoverished area of Los Angeles, none of us would even have heard about it, but because it occurred in a university where middle and upper class students were, it is outrageous enough to gain national and international attention.
Here's a similar tragic incident which did not get that much public attention and certainly did not generate much outcry, possibly due to the fact that it occurred at a vocational college where the majority of the students were low-income, not at a university:
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Woman Kills 2 Students in Louisiana College Classroom, Takes Own Life
BATON ROUGE, La. � A 23-year-old woman killed two fellow students with a .357 revolver in a classroom at a vocational college Friday, then committed suicide, police said.
The women apparently were shot in their seats in the second-floor classroom at Louisiana Technical College, Baton Rouge Sgt. Don Kelly said. About 20 people were in the emergency medical technology class at the time, he said.
"Why those two women were targeted ... is still an unanswered question," Kelly said.
The victims were identified as Karsheika Graves, 21, and Taneshia Butler, 26, both of Baton Rouge. The shooter was Latina Williams, whose address was unknown, Kelly said.
Williams entered the room briefly, spoke with the instructor and left, he said.
She returned through another door and fired six rounds, Kelly said, reloaded and shot herself in the head.
Officers ran into the building within four minutes of the first 911 call, which came at 8:36 a.m., Kelly said.
"There was mass pandemonium, people running," he said. "One officer � the first into the classroom � told me he could still smell gunpowder."
The school � one of two LTC campuses in Baton Rouge and dozens around the state � offers classes in a dozen subjects including early childhood education, practical nursing, drafting and welding.
School administrators and campus police did not immediately return calls or e-mails.
Louis Davis, who said he was taking an automobile technology class Friday morning, said a teacher told the students to stay in class because there had been an incident, without adding details. Students had to stay in their classrooms for about two hours and were briefly questioned by police before being released for the day, he said.
Classes were canceled through Tuesday, and tentatively scheduled to resume Wednesday, said Jim Henderson, vice president of the Louisiana Community and Technical College System.
"This is a tragic day for Baton Rouge, when you come to a learning institution ... and become the victim of a violent crime," Mayor Kip Holden said at the scene.
In Greenville, S.C., a student was shot in the leg at Greenville Technical College, but told police it was a self-inflicted accident, a campus official said. The wound was not life-threatening, said Brad Majors, the college marketing director. Majors said campus police and city police would continue to investigate. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329908,00.html |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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The inescapable fact about laws prohibiting guns is that the CRIMINALS don't give a DAMN about the laws!! Putting a sign up at a school, a store, or any places else that reads "no guns" is just as effective as posting a sign that says "no murdering". Criminals are going to break the fecking law no matter how many laws are put in place. The only thing that gun prohibition does is make the country a free-fire zone for someone who wants to kill a lot of people.
What you're asserting is that if we pass laws prohibiting guns, then it would stop the criminally insane from committing these crimes. If that's what you believe, then you are a fool.
You know what has stopped every incident where there has been a shooting on school grounds/campuses? ANOTHER GUN!!! Either the direct application of lead-to-body or the imminent threat of the good guys with guns arriving to put an end to the slaughter is the ONLY thing that has brought these crimes to an end.
Look at the security guard in the church in Colorado. Someone showed up at a church service with bad intentions and that security guard double tapped them and saved countless lives. You will never take the guns out of the wrong hands, so you might as well put the guns in the right hands to stop the bad guys. |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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You know what has stopped every incident where there has been a shooting on school grounds/campuses? ANOTHER GUN!!! Either the direct application of lead-to-body or the imminent threat of the good guys with guns arriving to put an end to the slaughter is the ONLY thing that has brought these crimes to an end. |
The ONLY thing? Please. That's hardly the only solution is it. After some mass shootings in the UK (Hungerford, Dunblane etc), the government passed legislation restricting gun ownership and surprise, surprise, mass shooting sprees stopped.
It's not rocket science, but I'd wager that if you make it more difficult for people to go out and shoot people, this type of thing will dimish. Risk/probability ratios confirm as much etc
I don't buy all this rubbish about the historical importance of being able to own a gun either. So it's written in your consitution? Big deal. Change it. You seem to approach all questionable historical documents the same. Just look at the bible for christ sake. There's another piece of crap that Americans seem to take far too literally. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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And Martin Bryant did a copycat of Dunblane, in Port Arthur Tasmania, in 1996. The Australian Government enacted tough new legislation, & guess what? No massacres since. The only notable incident at Monash University in 2002, was by an International Student, who had brought a gun with him, into Australia.
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| BS.Dos. wrote: |
| SuperFly wrote: |
You know what has stopped every incident where there has been a shooting on school grounds/campuses? ANOTHER GUN!!! Either the direct application of lead-to-body or the imminent threat of the good guys with guns arriving to put an end to the slaughter is the ONLY thing that has brought these crimes to an end. |
The ONLY thing? Please. That's hardly the only solution is it. After some mass shootings in the UK (Hungerford, Dunblane etc), the government passed legislation restricting gun ownership and surprise, surprise, mass shooting sprees stopped.
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Mass shootings aren't exactly Common.....we only get one every year or two in the states. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Mass shootings aren't exactly Common.....we only get one every year or two in the states. |
University of Texas at Austin massacre Austin, Texas, United States August 1, 1966
Orangeburg Massacre Orangeburg, South Carolina, United States February 8, 1968
Kent State shootings Kent, Ohio, United States May 4, 1970
Jackson State killings Jackson, Mississippi, United States May 14-15, 1970
California State University, Fullerton Library Massacre Fullerton, California, United States July 12, 1976
Cleveland Elementary School shooting San Diego, California, United States January 29, 1979
Parkway South Junior High School shooting Saint Louis, Missouri, United States January 20, 1983
Stockton massacre Stockton, California, United States January 17, 1989
University of Iowa shooting Iowa City, Iowa, United States November 1, 1991
Lindhurst High School shooting Marysville, California, United States May 1, 1992
Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States December 14, 1992
East Carter High School shooting Grayson, Kentucky, United States January 18, 1993
Richland High School shooting Lynnville, Tennessee, United States November 15, 1995
Frontier Junior High shooting Moses Lake, Washington, United States February 2, 1996
Bethel High School shooting Bethel, Alaska, United States February 19, 1997
Pearl High School shooting Pearl, Mississippi, United States October 1, 1997
Heath High School shooting West Paducah, Kentucky United States December 1, 1997
Jonesboro massacre Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States March 24, 1998
Parker Middle School Shooting Edinboro, Pennsylvania April 24, 1998
Thurston High School shooting Springfield, Oregon, United States May 21, 1998
Columbine High School massacre Littleton, Colorado, United States April 20, 1999
Heritage High School shooting Conyers, Georgia, United States May 20, 1999
Buell Elementary School shooting Mount Morris Township, Michigan, United States February 29, 2000
Santana High School shooting Santee, California, United States March 5, 2001
Granite Hills High School shooting El Cajon, California March 22, 2001
Appalachian School of Law shooting Grundy, Virginia, United States January 16, 2002
University of Arizona School of Nursing shooting Tucson, Arizona, United States October 28, 2002
John McDonogh High School Shooting New Orleans, Louisiana, United States April 14, 2003
Red Lion Area Junior High School shootings Red Lion, Pennsylvania, United States April 24, 2003
Case Western Reserve University shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States May 9, 2003
Rocori High School shootings Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States September 24, 2003
Red Lake High School massacre Red Lake, Minnesota, United States March 21, 2005
Campbell County High School shooting Jacksboro, Tennessee November 8, 2005
Pine Middle School shooting Reno, Nevada, United States March 14, 2006
Essex Shooting Rampage Essex, Vermont, United States August 24, 2006
Platte Canyon High School shooting Bailey, Colorado, United States September 27, 2006
Weston High School shooting Cazenovia, Wisconsin September 29, 2006
Amish school shooting Nickel Mines, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States October 2, 2006
Virginia Tech massacre Blacksburg, Virginia, United States April 16, 2007
Delaware State University shooting Dover, Delaware, United States September 21, 2007
SuccessTech Academy shooting Cleveland, Ohio, United States October 10, 2007
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1 Notre Dame Elementary shooting Portsmouth, Ohio, United States February 7, 2008
2 Louisiana Technical College shooting Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States February 8, 2008
3 Mitchell High School shooting Memphis, Tennessee, United States February 11, 2008
4 E.O. Green Junior High School shooting Oxnard, California, United States February 12, 2008
5 Northern Illinois University shooting DeKalb, Illinois, United States February 14, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Notable_Shootings
Conclusion? There are significantly more incidents than "1 every year or 2". |
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wking
Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
This is the second admendment to the U.S. Constitution, and the bold part was mine.
I am an American and the first part of this admendment seems to suggest to me that the right to bear arms ONLY applies to "a well regulated militia", such as a federal army or state militia (National Guard).
Am I incorrect?
Here in The U.S. ( I live in Texas, land of guns) the first part of the second admendment is ALWAYS left off of the bumperstickers... |
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Mountain Dew Markets Futuristic Fascist Police State
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkhVSHeAW-M
The shooter was consuming Mountain Dew in quantity.
This was documented in news videos investigating the hotel room inhabited by the shooter. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| ........I find it scary though that so many of you are saying the answer is "more guns" |
No sh*t.
You'd think there was some common sense in one of the richest, most developed countries on earth.
Ever looked at an NRA mag? Most of their "citizens must have guns" articles are marketed from an aspect of fear--"What will you DO when a criminal comes into your HOME???!!! or "Heroic old man shoots intruder--YOUR FAMILY IN DANGER---protect your rights!!!"
It's definetly aimed at the easily manipulated, not-so-smart individual.
Unfortunately they're in bed with the manufacturers, who have mountains of $ to lobby Washington. So until someone finally wakes up we'll just keep seeing the horrible headlines over and over and over again--almost weekly it seems. |
I thought that you were supposed to uphold the behaviour rules. You are a mod, eh. Why insult all people from the U.S.? |
You seem to be assuming that the NRA is representative of all Americans which I find to be insulting. |
The post does imply that there is an apparant lack of common sense in the U.S. That is the point of my previous post.
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071130160726AAOkbaQ
What kind of health problems can drinking too much Mountain Dew cause?
I drink it all the time and I'm experience all kinds of problems. I can't sleep number one, I have constant head aches, my kidneys hurt and I can't use the restroom but go a lot, I feel dizzy and my sight is affected, I'm dehydrated, and all kind of other things. Is this a result of drinking too much Mountain Dew?
I can't seem to stop though because I'm so addicted. It's like my alcohol.
Well I usually drink about 10 or more a day.
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Mountain Dew is a soda or soft drink and as such will rob you of your precious B complex of vitamins (essential for healthy neural functioning, immune and digestive functioning), also it will rob you of potassium (essential for carrying oxygen to the brain) and calcium (essential for neural and bone healthand digestive health)................ It's totally astounding the damage that the combination of sugar and various chemicals combined to create a delicious yet toxic drink can do to our bodies.
The side affects you are having such as insomnia and dizzy spells, headaches and migraines are all symptoms of B complex vitamin deficiency, particularly B12 ...... other symptoms you may be suffering from are inability to concentrate, loss of balance, irritability and moodiness, nausea and vomiting, fatigue and exhaustion, excessive sweating, depression, constipation and even chest pains and heart palpitations!!
Quite scary actually if you don't realise the vitamin factor. |
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