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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: I can't believe some of these contracts |
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I really can't believe it. Some of them actually want you to be their slave. And tax you at 3.3%.
I'm getting some doozies here. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: I can't believe some of these contracts |
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| The problem is people keep taking them, not knowing any better. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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It's just crazy some of the things they throw in there:
schedule can change
make a daily topic for the class
respect Korean moral standards and customs
employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay
supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education
Just to name a few... |
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KoreanAmbition
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
It's just crazy some of the things they throw in there:
schedule can change
make a daily topic for the class
respect Korean moral standards and customs
employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay
supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education
Just to name a few... |
Yeah, imagine them expecting us to respect Korean moral standards and customs. The nerve of those bastardos. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
It's just crazy some of the things they throw in there:
schedule can change
make a daily topic for the class
respect Korean moral standards and customs
employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay
supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education
Just to name a few... |
Yeah, imagine them expecting us to respect Korean moral standards and customs. The nerve of those bastardos. |
Contractually? This is slight exaggeration, but you'd be opening yourself to job termination for passing on kimchi even once. |
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, this is a mentally challenging exercise for recruiters and schools because they rarely are able to provide decent jobs. Well, the most recent funny contract I rejected was having a contract where overtime hourly rate is less than regular working hourly rate. |
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NightSky
Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
It's just crazy some of the things they throw in there:
schedule can change
make a daily topic for the class
respect Korean moral standards and customs
employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay
supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education
Just to name a few... |
Yeah, imagine them expecting us to respect Korean moral standards and customs. The nerve of those bastardos. |
possibly you're just kidding, but in case not I think he means the problem is it's so general, the boss can decide what constitutes Korean moral standards. Leaves a lot of room for BS like "you wore jeans to work last week, you're not respecting our customs, so you're fired." |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
It's just crazy some of the things they throw in there:
schedule can change
make a daily topic for the class
respect Korean moral standards and customs
employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay
supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education
Just to name a few... |
Yeah, imagine them expecting us to respect Korean moral standards and customs. The nerve of those bastardos. |
Yeah, they are bastardos. What the fk kind of contract clause is that? I don't bow to someone and it's cause for a warning letter?
What rock did you crawl out from under? That's like the supidest contract clause I have ever seen. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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I tell you. I've seen a lot of contracts and they all try to screw you and break labor laws.
Who on this board said that I was exaggerating? Proof's in the pudding. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:42 am Post subject: |
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korean ambition, if they're going to include a clause like that in the contract, something like this would be better:
"employee and employer must respect each others' moral standards and customs"
although of course we are in korea, putting in a clause like the one before is so completely vague and one-sided that it opens the contract up to deliberate misinterpretation.
such as, employee did not attend a staff dinner (after hours, not mandatory), s/he broke the contract. seriously, the boss could easy use this in just about a million ways to fire someone. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
It's just crazy some of the things they throw in there:
schedule can change
make a daily topic for the class
respect Korean moral standards and customs
employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay
supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education
Just to name a few... |
Yeah, imagine them expecting us to respect Korean moral standards and customs. The nerve of those bastardos. |
There is place for relativism here when the boss is a liar.
This same clause was used against me at two different institutes for the purpose of screwing me out of large amounts of money.
You'll see when you return to your homeland that Korea is very, very, very crooked.
Good luck to you.
Respectfully,
R |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| Roch wrote: |
| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
It's just crazy some of the things they throw in there:
schedule can change
make a daily topic for the class
respect Korean moral standards and customs
employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay
supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education
Just to name a few... |
Yeah, imagine them expecting us to respect Korean moral standards and customs. The nerve of those bastardos. |
There is place for relativism here when the boss is a liar.
This same clause was used against me at two different institutes for the purpose of screwing me out of large amounts of money.
You'll see when you return to your homeland that Korea is very, very, very crooked.
Good luck to you.
Respectfully,
R |
Word! |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| nomad-ish wrote: |
korean ambition, if they're going to include a clause like that in the contract, something like this would be better:
"employee and employer must respect each others' moral standards and customs"
although of course we are in korea, putting in a clause like the one before is so completely vague and one-sided that it opens the contract up to deliberate misinterpretation.
such as, employee did not attend a staff dinner (after hours, not mandatory), s/he broke the contract. seriously, the boss could easy use this in just about a million ways to fire someone. |
They're put in the contract due to xenophobia. Sometimes things like this are left in the contract after years in business. Teachers just keep signing them. A lot of time though contracts aren't followed to the tea and some things can be left ignored. But it's best to cover all your bases.
Something like that is just ridiculous and would probably have no bearing in a labor proceeding. Still it could be used against you where the boss might complain that you don't do this and that and feel they're totally in the right to reprimand you. That's when you keep some weapons such as taxes, etc. in your back pocket: "Well what abou this?" Still though, I don't want to have to "teach" another employer. Teach them about the right amount of taxes, teach them that I know how to check my pension account, teach them about a teaching hour, etc.
What a pain in the ass. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| schedule can change |
That is not a good thing in a contract. It should be worded differently but teaching schedules can change if something unexpected happens.
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| make a daily topic for the class |
Wow...thats rough...as a teacher come up with a classroom topic for each class for the day! How dare they ask this of a Teacher!
Come on now...
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| respect Korean moral standards and customs |
Common sense in everyday life but has no place in the contract.
The contract should limit itself to a clause like: respect Korean laws.
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| employee has to participate in outside events for the schoo without pay |
Touchy issue there. As a full time teacher back home this happened all the time. Extra-curricular activities were considered covered by your pay so you got nothign extra.
If these activities happen during your contracted work hours, you are out of luck. If they are above and beyond those then you can and should ask for OT pay.
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| supervisor can assign non-teaching duties to the teacher related to student's education |
Standard clause present in most jobs I have had. Extra activities deemed relevant by management clauses are everywhere, not just in teaching contracts.
The issue becomes one of reasonable demands by the employer. If he/she crosses the line, stand up for yourself.
If you get a crooked boss then some of these clauses can lead to abuse or cheating.
As for here vs home...empty debate in my view. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Homer,
All good points. The "coming up with a daily topic for each class" is a little excessive though. If I'm teaching 30 classes per week, they should be providing textbooks and planning should be minimal at best. If I were teaching less hours, I could understand such planning. Also depends on how much they pay. Although all the money in the world isn't worth some employers.
Anyway, I've been teaching for 5 years. I've already got a daily topic, don't I?  That's not exactly rocket science for me.
All of these contracts have had clauses that really shouldn't be there and contradict the law. It seems that if I got the contract changed in many respects, they'd consider me a problem from the get go. Big headache.
I swear, one of these contracts makes me really scared. It's for middle school students in the center of Seoul. They seem really Hitlerish. It's kind of fun in a way because you can say things like, "Ok, I want 5 million and a brand new Toyota" just to see their reactions. I came here to teach, not to be a whipping boy.
Depending on which school it is, the honoring Korean customs deal can probably be ignored. Like you said, as long as you stand up for yourself... Thing is, I don't want to have to do this standing up for myself deal...
*sigh* Should've taken that uni position. Tired of living in the country though... |
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