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carrotpatchkid



Joined: 15 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Expat couple in a small town? Reply with quote

This weekend I'll be moving in with my girlfriend to work together as the only foreign teachers at a hagwon in a small town. The owner of our school is worried about having a couple as employees (though she failed to express any such notion back in November). We've heard that even so much as holding hands outside of our apartment is anathema in a small town. While we don't plan on any public displays of affection, we would like not to have to hide the fact that we're a couple.

I know many expat couples who live and work together in Seoul but none who live in a small town. Is there anyone out there who knows about this small town stuff? I think it's absurd but then again, I think men with purses and dogs with dyed ears are absurd too.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are only a couple of things you have to worry about outside of someone clucking their tongue at your hand-holding:

1- Some drunk local decides that your girl is a Russian hooker and/or easy because she's foreign, and starts harassing her for sex. But that happens in Seoul as well.

2- It's more likely that boredom, routine, work stress, and limited options will have you at each other's throats. I highly recommend finding a way to have "Me Time" for the both of you.

But the most likely thing that's going to happen is that your boss is going to screw one or both of you over at some point. She sounds a bit untrustworthy already. And small town hagwons are even more fly-by-night and shady than the ones in big cities.

I would suggest being sure you have enough "Get outta Dodge" money in your pocket before you get on the plane.

And good luck.
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NightSky



Joined: 19 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Expat couple in a small town? Reply with quote

carrotpatchkid wrote:
This weekend I'll be moving in with my girlfriend to work together as the only foreign teachers at a hagwon in a small town. The owner of our school is worried about having a couple as employees (though she failed to express any such notion back in November). We've heard that even so much as holding hands outside of our apartment is anathema in a small town. While we don't plan on any public displays of affection, we would like not to have to hide the fact that we're a couple.

I know many expat couples who live and work together in Seoul but none who live in a small town. Is there anyone out there who knows about this small town stuff? I think it's absurd but then again, I think men with purses and dogs with dyed ears are absurd too.


if you already think it's absurd you would be better off sticking to the city, and trust me, you will see plenty of things you consider absurd there, never mind going to a small Korean town.
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JongnoGuru



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Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does a "small town" in Korea run these days? About a quarter of a million peeps?
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NightSky



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
What does a "small town" in Korea run these days? About a quarter of a million peeps?


Doesn't matter, small town Korea is like the early morning crusties on the waking eye of humanity.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Expat couple in a small town? Reply with quote

carrotpatchkid wrote:
...as the only foreign teachers at a hagwon in a small town.... We've heard that even so much as holding hands outside of our apartment is anathema in a small town

Utter and complete B.S.

I live in a small Korean town (two English hagwons only, THAT small) and I know a foreign couple in this town, and another in a nearby town! And they hold hands, lean heads on shoulders and appear entirely like the couple they are in public. No problem.

Of course they work in the public schools (one middle school, one high school) so they don't have the same sort of fear a hagwon owner would have, losing even one of their students. (Having two foreign teachers on staff: how small a town can afford two waygook on staff!! sounds like a big town/small city).

In a community with under a dozen visible foreigners (not including the Chinese and Cambodian fafmer wives, of course), there is a lattitude, as we are, by Korean definition, freaks of nature anyways, three-headed rock stars.

You really have to draw a line yourself on what Korean habits and practices you will conform to and what not to. BOW a little by all means. But not hold hands because of fear what others think? That's your call.
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smurfetta



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My husband and I live in a very, very, very small town. We are the only two foreigners in our area. We both teach in public schools and we have lived there for almost two years. Some of the locals are very kind and some are very xenophobic towards us. In our town, there are a lot of bars, hofs, Noraebangs and drunken Ajoshis. Due to this, I don't go out at night in our town alone. Plus, I don't make eye contact with Korean men that I haven't been formally introduced to.

Also, we get stared at a lot and get the usual hellos followed by giggles.

One thing I have to say is that our buying a car greatly improved our lifestyle out here in the boonies. It allows us to go to the nearest city if we want to go shopping or eat at a restaurant. (You meet a lot of interesting people on the country buses.)
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Expat couple in a small town? Reply with quote

carrotpatchkid wrote:
This weekend I'll be moving in with my girlfriend to work together as the only foreign teachers at a hagwon in a small town. The owner of our school is worried about having a couple as employees (though she failed to express any such notion back in November). We've heard that even so much as holding hands outside of our apartment is anathema in a small town. While we don't plan on any public displays of affection, we would like not to have to hide the fact that we're a couple.

I know many expat couples who live and work together in Seoul but none who live in a small town. Is there anyone out there who knows about this small town stuff? I think it's absurd but then again, I think men with purses and dogs with dyed ears are absurd too.


WHy would you subject yourself to small town korea?

I couldn't possibly think of one good reason.

Seriously reconsider, you may come to regret it.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Expat couple in a small town? Reply with quote

loose_ends wrote:
carrotpatchkid wrote:
This weekend I'll be moving in with my girlfriend to work together as the only foreign teachers at a hagwon in a small town. The owner of our school is worried about having a couple as employees (though she failed to express any such notion back in November). We've heard that even so much as holding hands outside of our apartment is anathema in a small town. While we don't plan on any public displays of affection, we would like not to have to hide the fact that we're a couple.

I know many expat couples who live and work together in Seoul but none who live in a small town. Is there anyone out there who knows about this small town stuff? I think it's absurd but then again, I think men with purses and dogs with dyed ears are absurd too.


WHy would you subject yourself to small town korea?

I couldn't possibly think of one good reason.

Seriously reconsider, you may come to regret it.


Small towns are bearable if you have a car and you are in a relationship.
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Mi Yum mi



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are so worried and you want to play by stupid Korean rules...buy some rings. Get a couple of big gold bands and stick them on your wedding finger (you could even call them a promise ring or something gay like that). More people will see them and assume you are married.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my jobs was in a small town in a school where the directors were an American guy and a Korean woman who were shacking up together.
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air76



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are seriously going to live where there are no other foreigners then I think you'll regret it....I lived in a medium sized town and there were maybe 100 foreigners in town. That was small enough. I'd say that you need to have at least 10 western foreigners in town or you really go insane...I'd hate to live in Seoul but I honestly think you'll regret working in a village. Shoot for 100,000 people or more.
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smurfetta



Joined: 03 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mi Yum mi wrote:
If you are so worried and you want to play by stupid Korean rules...buy some rings. Get a couple of big gold bands and stick them on your wedding finger (you could even call them a promise ring or something gay like that). More people will see them and assume you are married.


I agree with this idea. I think that my husband and I get a lot more respect as a married couple than we would have as an unmarried couple. There are a lot of Christians in our small town and they tend to be very conservative.
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Expat couple in a small town? Reply with quote

Kimchieluver wrote:
loose_ends wrote:
carrotpatchkid wrote:
This weekend I'll be moving in with my girlfriend to work together as the only foreign teachers at a hagwon in a small town. The owner of our school is worried about having a couple as employees (though she failed to express any such notion back in November). We've heard that even so much as holding hands outside of our apartment is anathema in a small town. While we don't plan on any public displays of affection, we would like not to have to hide the fact that we're a couple.

I know many expat couples who live and work together in Seoul but none who live in a small town. Is there anyone out there who knows about this small town stuff? I think it's absurd but then again, I think men with purses and dogs with dyed ears are absurd too.


WHy would you subject yourself to small town korea?

I couldn't possibly think of one good reason.

Seriously reconsider, you may come to regret it.


Small towns are bearable if you have a car and you are in a relationship.


Key word is bearable.

Why work in small a** backwards town, make less money, teach less educated kids, and be more of a monkey on display?

Small towns ARE NOT COOL in Korea. Plain and simple.

The most anyone is gonna make in a small town is 2.(something) million/month working for a hagwon, public school or uni.

Anyone making less than 4 million a month in seoul is just lazy.

GO TO SEOUL!!! Trust me. There is a reason most Koreans want to live in Seoul.
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smurfetta



Joined: 03 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to add some advice for your girlfriend about living in a small town as a western woman.

1. Don't drink alcohol with your Korean colleagues. They may find it shocking if you do.

2. Don't smoke in pubic if you are a smoker. Find a rooftop or a bathroom stall to smoke in.

3. Do dress very conservatively. Don't wear tops that show off even a little bit of cleavage. Your students will tell you to cover up. All my female colleagues wear "little house on the prairie" style dresses and tops.
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