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How different are the remaining three candidates?
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Are there significant differences between Clinton, McCain, and Obama?
Yes, they're each significantly different from one another
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Clinton and Obama are the same. McCain is different.
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Clinton and McCain are the same. Obama is different.
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McCain and Obama are the same. Clinton is different.
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No, they're all pretty much the same./They aren't significantly different.
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Don't know/Don't Care
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Nowhere Man



Joined: 08 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: How different are the remaining three candidates? Reply with quote

What I mean here is policy-wise, personality-wise, or anything otherwise that will lead America in a significantly different direction as compared to the other contestants.

I'm not saying different is good or bad. It could be either.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hillary and Barack are identical on the issues.

McCain is distinct from each.

All are similar in that they are candidates of good character, and could lead the United States. Although I have my personal preference, I think all are able to exceed the minimal standards of the job.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll go along with what Kuros said. That was fairly stated.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said, Kuros.
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Pluto



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got my preferences, too. Although, I wouldn't be all that upset with an Obama presidency. I just worry about the gentleman from Brooklyn's tax proposal.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Hillary and Barack are identical on the issues.


Well they have different policy proposals, most notably on health care.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Kuros wrote:
Hillary and Barack are identical on the issues.


Well they have different policy proposals, most notably on health care.


That's true. There're some minor differences. But even the health care debate, where they most diverge, there's a generally similarity in the general goal. Both talk about covering everyone. Neither embraces 'socialized medicine.' Hillary wants a single-payer system but insists on letting employers and employees keep existing health arrangements. Barack eschews single-payer but wants to cover all who 'choose' coverage. Not exactly radically different.

Meanwhile, look at their environmental proposals. Their educational proposals. Even their Iraq proposals. There's not much difference.

Now think back to when Edwards was in the race. Once you compare Hillary or Barack on the issues to any third candidate, they begin to line up pretty closely.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big difference betwen Obama and Clinton.

Obama wants parents to pay a fine when seeking care for their who are
uninsured in his National Health plan.

Clinton has no honor and will not honor agreements she made in the conduct of her campaign (FL, MI) Obama has honored his agreements.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clinton has no honor and will not honor agreements she made in the conduct of her campaign (FL, MI)


Especially during a war, it could be an advantage to have a person in the White House who is a fighter and a scrapper who won't easily give up.
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCain explicitly endorses nuclear energy expansion. Hillary seems to have a contradictory position on the matter, explicitly endorsing it on one occasion and saying she's "agnostic" on another. Obama is open but not enthusiastic.

Obviously, McCain is radically different to the two Dems on Iraq. Obama is unique amongst the three for not having supported it from the very start.

Regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict, Hillary's position is rather interesting:

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Regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict, Clinton has stated that she is "an emphatic, unwavering supporter of Israel's safety and security."

We are here to show solidarity and support for Israel. We will stand with Israel, because Israel is standing for American values as well as Israeli ones.

On November 13, 2005, Clinton said that she supports the creation of the West Bank barrier, stating: "This is not against the Palestinian people. This is against the terrorists. The Palestinian people have to help to prevent terrorism. They have to change the attitudes about terrorism." She has also requested that Palestinian leaders "change all textbooks in all grades" from the current ones, which are "hate-filled, violent and radical."


It'd be rather a good idea if Left Wing feminists in Europe, like those at the BBC and Guardian, who so passionately support the Palestinians (and support Hillary solely on the basis of a shared sex) gave the above some consideration, wouldn't it, you morons? Mr. Green

Obama's and McCain's positions seem no different.

Pluto wrote:
I just worry about the gentleman from Brooklyn's tax proposal.


Pardon me?
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twg



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/69733/Obama-v.-McCain...-A-Look-At-Their-Voting-Records.htm

This guy here looks at the voting records of McCain and Obama, and they're not that far apart on a number of issues.

The key difference is that Obama has been offering "That hope thing" that his opponents have been trying to spin into a negative. Especially since hope hasn't been seen since the neo-cons slithered their way into power back in 1980.

Hillary is business as usual. She's George Bush with a husband instead of a daddy making decisions for her.
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Pluto



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:


Pluto wrote:
I just worry about the gentleman from Brooklyn's tax proposal.


Pardon me?


Rangel's `Mother of All' Tax Bills Is `Psycho'

Charlie Rangel(D-NY) holds one of the most powerful posts in Congress. He is Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is where all tax policy starts, so you can see why its chairman is one of the more powerful brokers in not only tax policy, but overall government policy.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to say which one's different since you can look at it in a few ways: in terms of bare-bones policy or in terms of how the overall political atmosphere would be after one of them becomes president. I can think of a few posters on the board for example that would agree with me in most areas on policy if we were to run for office somewhere, but that I don't consider similar to me at all.

By taking a look at the way they've been running their campaigns, Clinton has been running on the assumption of victory (a bad assumption to make) while McCain largely lucked out after being on fumes for so long (had he received 30% to Huckabee's 33% instead of the other way around it probably would have spelled the end right there), whereas Obama has run a very successful campaign that doesn't underestimate his opponents, assume victory, Giulianify results by pretending there's a big smashing victory right around the corner that'll make everything all right or spend more money than it has, so in terms of knowing how to actually run something that works I'd say he's different than the other two.

It's really hard to tell though. George Bush in 2000 looked like his policy was going to be smaller government and no nation-building, so you never know. That's why I don't think it's a good idea to just compare policy proposals and assume that one candidate is like the other because they are similar there.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pluto wrote:
Justin Hale wrote:


Pluto wrote:
I just worry about the gentleman from Brooklyn's tax proposal.


Pardon me?


Rangel's `Mother of All' Tax Bills Is `Psycho'

Charlie Rangel(D-NY) holds one of the most powerful posts in Congress. He is Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is where all tax policy starts, so you can see why its chairman is one of the more powerful brokers in not only tax policy, but overall government policy.


I thought you might be referring to Rangel, but he represents upper Manhattan and Harlem, not Brooklyn.
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stillnotking



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
By taking a look at the way they've been running their campaigns, Clinton has been running on the assumption of victory (a bad assumption to make) while McCain largely lucked out after being on fumes for so long (had he received 30% to Huckabee's 33% instead of the other way around it probably would have spelled the end right there), whereas Obama has run a very successful campaign that doesn't underestimate his opponents, assume victory, Giulianify results by pretending there's a big smashing victory right around the corner that'll make everything all right or spend more money than it has, so in terms of knowing how to actually run something that works I'd say he's different than the other two.


Bingo. I've been waiting for someone in the national media to notice the fact that only one of the three frontrunners ran anything like a viable primary campaign, but so far no one has.

Hillary dropped the ball from the start, both in organization and in message. This reinforces what I have said all along: the supposed Clinton "genius" for politics is nonexistent; Bill won in 1992 against an extremely unpopular incumbent with the help of a major spoiler, and in 1996 against a fossilized GOP party hack with no argument and no chance. Both were races that any halfway-acceptable Democrat could have won.

McCain won, essentially, by default. Giuliani hardly bothered to try (thank goodness) and deprived his campaign of all oxygen by waiting for Florida. Huckabee was the frontrunner after the early primaries, but was scuttled by the conservative media. Romney never caught fire. The only good thing one can say about the McCain campaign is that it didn't give up when things were looking bad, but it's impossible to claim that McCain won the primary on his own merits.

Obama has run a smart, savvy, ground-oriented campaign, taking himself from longshot insurgent to prohibitive favorite in the space of just a few months. Some of this is attributable to Hillary's shortcomings, but had Obama not been in the race she would surely be the nominee. Whatever else one may think about Obama, he is clearly an excellent campaigner and has a very strong organization behind him. Of all the predictors of the general election, this is probably the most important.
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