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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| but perfectly fine to judge someone according to age? can you explain somehow why one is fine but the other not? |
I think it's acceptable to include age in selecting a candidate. It is not discriminating in a negative way to say you think someone is too young. It simply means you think there is a correlation between age and experience. At the other end of the scale, it is perfectly legitimate to think that someone in his 70's is too old. Health concerns become a factor in doing the job. The presidency is an enormously stressful job. Predicting someone's health four years out is pretty tricky, especially when the person is 71 now.
My personal opinion is that around 70 should be the cut-off point for someone leaving the presidency. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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I am wholly fatigued with the election at this point. I would rather watch anything but CNN or MSNBC while I run. I watched a totally absurd MTV reality-style show just to get away from this today. I might even watch the home-shopping network tomorrow.
Let us vote, already. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
I am wholly fatigued with the election at this point. I would rather watch anything but CNN or MSNBC while I run. I watched a totally absurd MTV reality-style show just to get away from this today. I might even watch the home-shopping network tomorrow.
Let us vote, already. |
You're sick of it already? Eight months to go, man.
I'm hopeful that I will be in Korea and insulated from the worst of the media barrage this summer/fall. I'm a political junkie, but last time around was enough to make me sick of the whole thing, and this time will probably be even worse. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Three things.
1. I'll prefer a candidate who runs a 50-state, shoot-for-the-moon strategy over one who aims for "50%+1" any day of the week. I agree that it's unlikely for Obama (or any candidate) to win by the kind of margins we saw in the 1980s. The electoral landscape has changed too much since that time. It's entirely possible for Obama to get 55% of the popular vote, though, and that would guarantee a win.
2. Independents, who are the bloc that really decides elections in the US, prefer Obama over McCain and McCain over Clinton.
3. Hillary's negatives are already sky-high, and eight months of relentless negative campaigning would drive them far into the red zone. By the time the Republicans got done with Hillary, she'd be lucky to keep her Senate seat.
One more data point you might want to keep in mind: only 66% of Hillary's supporters think she is the most electable candidate in the general. Nearly 90% of Obama's supporters think the same of him. |
Unfortunately Notking, Hillary supporters won't admit the truth. They want to believe the base will stay home, indies back Hillary and running a 10 state campaign will win in November. It's the kind of cluelessness that leaves people wondering when reality will set in. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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McCain doesnt have a chance against either one of them.
He's a seriously old-looking man who seems to have aged significantly in the last eight years, and he looked old already.
New voters don't come out of the geriatrics wards. McCain's base of voters has already been solidly decided. However, a person like Obama are just going to keep attracting more and more of those who don't or haven't voted before. |
McCain will trounce Obama....mark my word.
I am guessing you feel it is abhorrent to judge someone by race or gender, but perfectly fine to judge someone according to age? can you explain somehow why one is fine but the other not? |
America is completely geared towards youth, presense, physical features, etc.
Obama is a young-looking dynamic speaker. McCain is an old dude with bad jokes.
By the way, I don't find anything abhorrent.
Most of the undecided are probably gonna be youths (as always), and they are going to be looking a lot less at race, and a lot more at total presense, etc.
I'm just stating the obvious here. I'm also not predicting anything, as I'm not saying who is going to win or lose, I'm just stating where the undecided are most likely going to vote.
For all your other issues, it's pretty much split down, regardless of your candidates on the Republican/Democrat divide. No decided Republican is going to switch parties based on the overall presense, it's just that undecided are often most swayed by the most superficial things a person can imagine. Who is taller, who is more handsome, who gives a better impression, etc. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I am guessing you feel it is abhorrent to judge someone by race or gender, but perfectly fine to judge someone according to age? can you explain somehow why one is fine but the other not? |
Well, any candidate over 70 should at least be required to take regular Omega-3 supplements. Just so he doesn't forget which lobbyist he's doing if nothing else.   |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
Three things.
1. I'll prefer a candidate who runs a 50-state, shoot-for-the-moon strategy over one who aims for "50%+1" any day of the week. I agree that it's unlikely for Obama (or any candidate) to win by the kind of margins we saw in the 1980s. The electoral landscape has changed too much since that time. It's entirely possible for Obama to get 55% of the popular vote, though, and that would guarantee a win.
2. Independents, who are the bloc that really decides elections in the US, prefer Obama over McCain and McCain over Clinton.
3. Hillary's negatives are already sky-high, and eight months of relentless negative campaigning would drive them far into the red zone. By the time the Republicans got done with Hillary, she'd be lucky to keep her Senate seat.
One more data point you might want to keep in mind: only 66% of Hillary's supporters think she is the most electable candidate in the general. Nearly 90% of Obama's supporters think the same of him. |
Unfortunately Notking, Hillary supporters won't admit the truth. They want to believe the base will stay home, indies back Hillary and running a 10 state campaign will win in November. It's the kind of cluelessness that leaves people wondering when reality will set in. |
I assume this is a swipe at me.
Prove the data wrong; but you can't. We have a practical dissertation against Hillary, but little of substance for Obama.
Is there any endorsement of Obama that you can make without dissing Clinton? It appears not.
As I have said, Obama's support right now appears to be the weak among the Democratic base. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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Again, I don't buy the fact that the D base will stay home if Obama wins the nomination. You are basing your argument on one poll. How can Hillary win an election without stronger support from Indies? The D base alone won't win you the election.
I have asked you repeatedly how Hillary Clinton can run a campaign based on a 10 state strategy and expect to win. Your answer?? Nothing.
But then again, don't listen to me. Come Tuesday we'll pretty much know what is going to happen. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Again, I don't buy the fact that the D base will stay home if Obama wins the nomination. [and then more irrelevant stuff about Hillary . . .] |
Okay, then. You don't buy the info from one poll. Fair enough!
It may or may not play out that way.
But, I'm pretty sure Obama is deluding himself (and a few of the faithful) when he says he's attracting 'Obamacans.' The McCainocrats are a lot more numerous right now. |
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