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Dome Vans
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You really need to do something about your paranoia complex BE. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
You really need to do something about your paranoia complex BE. |
No need to be paranoid. I'm on an F2 and not doing illegal privates, anyway. Just wanted to pass along that article. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Do not forget the other things noted:
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... not given basic freedom of movement. The foreigners can use medical facilities and can exercise on playgrounds only with the permission of the authorities. Detainees can use medical facilities and can exercise on playgrounds only with the permission of the authorities.
The commission also found that basic items such as underwear, shampoo and cosmetics are not allowed in from outside, and that security cameras installed in each cell may infringe on the detainees' privacy.
It also noted that the inmates are forced to use Korean only when people visit them. In addition, the commission reported that meals are given, without taking into account the individuals' cultural backgrounds.... |
'Conditions at detention centers for illegal foreigners are poor'
By Song Sang-ho, The Korea Herald (March 5, 2008)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2008/03/05/200803050034.asp |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought it was outrageous when they put that illegal teacher in prison for six months for a fake diploma when so many Koreans have them, and I don't think any served a day in jail. They got fired and that was it. |
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aarontendo
Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| A Korean using a fake diploma is hardly the same as a foreigner. The Korean just lied to get a job, the foreigner lied to enter the country. One's much worse than the other. |
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Mi Yum mi
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| I thought it was outrageous when they put that illegal teacher in prison for six months for a fake diploma when so many Koreans have them, and I don't think any served a day in jail. They got fired and that was it. |
Foreigner with fake degree=immigration fraud.
Korean with fake degree= basic fraud.
There is a huge difference between the two. If an F visa holder were to do the same thing they'd only get a tap on the wrist like a Korean. Their fraud is not allowing them to live in the country under false pretenses...it's jsut helping them get a job. AnE holder doing the same is geting a job and a VISA. That's the part that gets them in jail/punished more. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| aarontendo wrote: |
| A Korean using a fake diploma is hardly the same as a foreigner. The Korean just lied to get a job, the foreigner lied to enter the country. One's much worse than the other. |
It hardly warrants six months in jail when faking documents is quite common here. If recruiters are caught in this do they also get six months? I understand the person lied to come in, but I am sure someone helped him. What if a Korean knowingly assisted him what jail time does that person get him? I have never heard of any repercussions for the Koreans beyond a fine. So, yes, six months is excessive in my opinion considering the other parties barely get a slap on the wrist. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, there are so many double-standards as far as the law goes here. No doubt about that. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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To Francis-Pax, who said in the other thread that we are just angry and full of negativity:
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are doing people a disservice when you paint the grumblings/worries/discussions about recent rule changes as simply a bunch of negative people who don't represent the rest of Korea.
I was just at the US Embassy last week. Guess what the foreigners were all talking about (4 of them, anyway)? The new visa changes, and the absolute cluster-mess it is. One guy was being shuffled around to several offices that didn't understand what needed to be done in his specific situation, and he was sick of it. He was currently working illegally, because he needed the money and his boss insisted he work until they get the visa thing figured out.
If you think Dave's is where all of the negative people go, then you need to get out and talk to teachers in other places. Specifically, teachers who are in the middle of changing jobs.
In addition, you are someone who has been here for a few years. You aren't facing a lot of the checks/restrictions that the newbees are going through. You have already put in your first 9 months of your first contract, and aren't totally without rights, as newbees are. You aren't looking at it from their perspective. You're just trying to be overly-positive, but in doing so, you are ignoring the obvious.
I'm sure somebody (recruiters/schools) appreciates your other post attempt to paint a rosy picture of what things are like at the moment, and to call us all negative for discussing the loss of rights (the complete lack of rights, actually) that new teachers now face. The truth, however, is that you made a blank statement calling us negative, and didn't back up anything you stated with positive rebuttal. We've quoted recent rule changes as to why we're upset.
Do you have anything for us to base fact on? Anything refuting previous grumblings about rule changes? Care to prove us wrong?
Do you have anything to say, other than to call us, "...extremely biased and negative...?" |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| But you may end up spending thousands of dollars on getting set up in your apartment, clothes, food, a bicycle, etc., during the first few months. |
What in the world are you spending money on???
God forbid we may have to live without a few conveniences or a few familiar items...don't buy the imports...buy the Korean brand...there's an equivalent to EVERYTHING.
If you're spending "thousands" to set up your apartment...you obviously didn't pay close attention to appliances and amenities in your contract....TO NEWBIES...if your contract says you get a microwave...and there isn't one...you ask for it your second day here!!
Plus...NEWBIES...dumpster diving can be a godsend here!!! I've managed to get a clothes dresser...tables...a big love seat...and some other little odds and ends...in the trash piles!! Inspect them well...clean them out well...air them out...get a cover...whatever it takes...KOREANS LOVE TO THROW AWAY GOOD STUFF...it might be missing a handle...it might have a little crack in it...but come on....I had worse stuff in my first apartment at uni!!!
If you NEED to order things from department stores and furniture from COSTCO...yeah you'll spend thousands of dollars...but in no way shape or form is that the "NORM" of what most teachers do here. Come on over to my place...you'll never be able to guess what came out of the "trash." You do spend a little more in your first month or two...if you want a toaster oven...or maybe an appliance that wasn't provided...sure...run out and get one. BUT...if you consider a PS2 a "mandatory appliance," you shouldn't be traveling the world in the first place.
And for those that are claiming that it's harder to be able to change jobs because of the new regulations.....I don't recall that policy ever being a picnic to begin with.
Directors have NEVER BEEN OBLIGATED to provide an LOR to ANY EMPLOYEE!! In fact, I knew of a couple of schools in my old city that would never grant a LOR under any circumstances...which meant...if you wanted to continue to work in Korea...you had to travel until your visa expired....or you had to go back home.
Now...those of you that still want to travel to waste time on your visa...still have that option...and if you have your docs in order...there's no problem traveling for a couple months...wasting the original...and obtaining a new one.
LOR's have never been an obligation....NEWBIES...too many posters on this forum are making it sound like the letter of release was standard procedure before the new regulations.....BULL PUCKEY!!!!
Do the new regs make it harder to change jobs.....YES. Do the new regs make the LOR any more problematic....NO...they were never a foregone conclusion in the first place. |
If I were a Newbie with Won to burn, I'd pay for your prescription for some decent, non-addictive sedatives if you'd hook me up with a pony keg of excellent micro-beer from Portland, Me.
No offence.
Really.
Roch |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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DC in Suwon
Joined: 14 Dec 2008
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Are you still in FU**ING Korea after all this crap you've posted on this thread?? I don't get it. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| haven't been stateside in 9 years? woo-hoo. keep a journal. talk about return culture shock. i hadn't been to the mainland for an extended time for about a decade when i came home circa 2004. wow. it was wild. keep a journal. i'd love to read it. i was gonna get certified and be a real teacher. the place is whacked. if you think things are screwed up in korea just wait. pre-interview, interview and final interview to work at the crappiest of crap jobs. even want to consider selling mobile phones? my cousin was a head hunter for cingular. they couldn't get bodies. any criminal activity on the record nullified candidates. sounds familiar? stateside the cops would pull me over on average of 1 amonth. no reason needed,just checking. rising taxes, stagnant wages. bought ahouse. property taxes TRIPLEDin 2years. good luck. too old for entry level. not enough "certifiable" (read "in US") expereince for"mid-career" openings. unless you have an "in" you are an "out'. |
That is all so very very true.
There are GMs/construction company owners/people from senior positions in advertising working in fast food joints(I know a lot of people). My sister-in-law just layed of half her factory staff. My nephew(an electrician) has moved states to find work. This moving states is fast becoming a fact of life in the US.
Concerning housing; I argued it out with city hall about my property taxes(imagine working 3 months just to pay land taxes each year) to get a $1,000 reduction each year(and, without a lawyer like many others). The property boom just gave city hall the excuse to raise their taxes and they wont come down even when values return to 2001 levels unless, you sell.
I'm state certified as a Behavior tech /Spec. Ed. teacher asst. but that only earns $13 per hour. I wanted to become a state certified teacher but the process is long and costly. Gave up on that.
Oh, did anyone mention that waiters wages are $2.20 per hour(good luck on good tips in a recession). That is what could be waiting for many BA holders stateside. It aint all that rosy for many who have to work 90 hours per week to make what you guys average.
Bills: gas $200; electric $100; insurances(just insane) per month; etc etc. You guys don't have bills anywhere near that. Typically, you add a zero if you want to know what you'll be paying for utilities stateside. Mortgages; rents as well to think about.
I think NETs have a great thing going in the ROK. Don't be too hard on the place. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| haven't been stateside in 9 years? woo-hoo. keep a journal. talk about return culture shock. i hadn't been to the mainland for an extended time for about a decade when i came home circa 2004. wow. it was wild. keep a journal. i'd love to read it. i was gonna get certified and be a real teacher. the place is whacked. if you think things are screwed up in korea just wait. pre-interview, interview and final interview to work at the crappiest of crap jobs. even want to consider selling mobile phones? my cousin was a head hunter for cingular. they couldn't get bodies. any criminal activity on the record nullified candidates. sounds familiar? stateside the cops would pull me over on average of 1 amonth. no reason needed,just checking. rising taxes, stagnant wages. bought ahouse. property taxes TRIPLEDin 2years. good luck. too old for entry level. not enough "certifiable" (read "in US") expereince for"mid-career" openings. unless you have an "in" you are an "out'. |
That is all so very very true.
There are GMs/construction company owners/people from senior positions in advertising working in fast food joints(I know a lot of people). My sister-in-law just layed of half her factory staff. My nephew(an electrician) has moved states to find work. This moving states is fast becoming a fact of life in the US.
Concerning housing; I argued it out with city hall about my property taxes(imagine working 3 months just to pay land taxes each year) to get a $1,000 reduction each year(and, without a lawyer like many others). The property boom just gave city hall the excuse to raise their taxes and they wont come down even when values return to 2001 levels unless, you sell.
I'm state certified as a Behavior tech /Spec. Ed. teacher asst. but that only earns $13 per hour. I wanted to become a state certified teacher but the process is long and costly. Gave up on that.
Oh, did anyone mention that waiters wages are $2.20 per hour(good luck on good tips in a recession). That is what could be waiting for many BA holders stateside. It ain't all that rosy for many who have to work 90 hours per week to make what most of you guys average each week.
Bills: gas $200; electric $100; insurances(just insane) per month; etc etc. You guys don't have bills anywhere near that. Typically, you add a zero if you want to know what you'll be paying for utilities stateside. Mortgages; rents as well to think about.
I think NETs have a great thing going in the ROK. Don't be too hard on the place. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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And I don't even have it that bad compared to the E-2s.
Lady down the street was just fired because she called the Labor Board on her boss after he didn't pay her for over 2 months. With the new regulations, we're not even sure she can get another job if she does stay here the month to win her ruiling. Signs point to no. From what it sounds like, since she's only been there less than 5 months, she may be up a creek and not be allowed a visa back in. Why? Because she had the nerve to turn her boss in for not paying her wages!
I used to tell newbees considering coming here that the best idea was to come here on your own dime and visit the schools in person -- that way, you can see the living arrangments, talk to teachers, meet the boss, and get a good feel for what's going on. Thanks to the new visa rules, that's pretty much impossible unless you plan on paying your own to come and go, as well as waiting, visiting the consulate for an interview BACK HOME, etc.
When I first came here, we could get international ATM cards at banks, and there weren't limits on what we could send out (not within my pay range, anyway). There were no consulate interviews, no police checks, no medical exams, and the blue paper was considered a hoop. Now you guys have transcripts, medical exams, no international ATM cards allowed, limits on what you can send out per year, and immigration officials who can't give you a straight answer on the new rules.
Plus, if you get screwed by your boss -- don't pass go, don't collect $200 -- just get the hell out, and you don't get to come back.
By the way, don't get hit accidentally hit by some drunk-ass ajosshi in a car crash... that's a criminal offence, whether it's your fault or not, which disqualifies you from your E2.
Not worth it anymore for a newbee. Just not worth it. LMB can take his pie-in-the-sky English plans and cram a bunch of filipinos up Korea's cake-hole for 1 million won per month if he wants. I hope, after 10 years of getting screwed, they unite in a big union and take over this town, too. They deserve it a lot more. |
Yes, all of this and the car crash thing is ridiculous. I told my parents about the car crash thing and they thought that was one of the craziest things they ever heard. i told them yes, "If you drive, and someone hits you from behind, the cops will say, well, it's your fault, too because you were out here driving a car. I also heard that if someone breaks into your house, you are just supposed to stand there and let them rape you, rob you, do whatever they want to you or your house/belongings. if you fight them off, you will be in trouble for harming them. Give me a break! |
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