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MollyBloom

Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Location: James Joyce's pants
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Is Ron Paul still in it? |
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First off, I love him.
Second, I thought Hucksterbee dropped out, so that leaves McCain and Ronnie P, right?
Drudge Report says McCain clinched the GOP, but then other sites say Ron Paul is still in it. What is going on? Anyone hear anything? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Yes Ron Paul is on the verge of winning |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Yes Ron Paul is on the verge of winning |
Really?
CNN has really been trying hard to completely ignore him.
Outta sight, outta mind
The gatekeepers finally broke down the other day & reported he was "officially" at 8%.
That is, if of course you even believe what we're "officially" told is supposed to be the case 
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Yes Ron Paul is on the verge of winning |
haha. That was quite funny Joo.
Paul is in it, but not for much longer. Nobody seems to know if he will make a third party run. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Is Ron Paul still in it? |
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MollyBloom wrote: |
First off, I love him.
Second, I thought Hucksterbee dropped out, so that leaves McCain and Ronnie P, right?
Drudge Report says McCain clinched the GOP, but then other sites say Ron Paul is still in it. What is going on? Anyone hear anything? |
The answer is YES - either he will continue until the Republican convention or he will run 3rd party. We may not know before May which one he will choose. |
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MollyBloom

Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Location: James Joyce's pants
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks! |
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stillnotking

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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If he did run third-party, who would he be helping, and would the answer depend on who the D nominee is?
Paul's constituency is primarily young, urban, educated libertarians. Seems like a fair amount of overlap with Obama. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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stillnotking wrote: |
If he did run third-party, who would he be helping, and would the answer depend on who the D nominee is?
Paul's constituency is primarily young, urban, educated libertarians. Seems like a fair amount of overlap with Obama. |
Rasmussen Reports showed a month or so back that with Ron Paul and Bloomberg in the race the Democrats would benefit. Since Bloomberg won't be running that would place them at an even greater advantage.
A lot of democrats like Ron Paul but he still proposes leaving health care to the free market and is against abortion, so not quite as many as you might think. Also, the title Republican has always been a crutch when trying to get support - a lot of people just won't have anything to do with it, no matter what. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well, he never WAS in it, except in a formal, technical way. Yesterday McCain won the nomination. RP no doubt will continue to campaign because he is neurotic enough to continue to campaign. CNN is not ignoring him as much as it is being realistic--why waste time on a minor candidate after the nomination has been confirmed? Are Biden and Richardson being ignored?
And I don't believe RP's main group of supporters are 'primarily young, urban, educated libertarians'. I think his supporters are anti-government survivalists. |
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MollyBloom

Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Location: James Joyce's pants
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
stillnotking wrote: |
If he did run third-party, who would he be helping, and would the answer depend on who the D nominee is?
Paul's constituency is primarily young, urban, educated libertarians. Seems like a fair amount of overlap with Obama. |
Rasmussen Reports showed a month or so back that with Ron Paul and Bloomberg in the race the Democrats would benefit. Since Bloomberg won't be running that would place them at an even greater advantage.
A lot of democrats like Ron Paul but he still proposes leaving health care to the free market and is against abortion, so not quite as many as you might think. Also, the title Republican has always been a crutch when trying to get support - a lot of people just wont have anything to do with it, no matter what. |
Ron Paul is NOT against abortion: he's against the federal government regulating abortion. He wants to leave it to the states to decide. That's why people get all freaked out. They see that on a federal scale, yes, he is against gay marriage, and they take that to mean he is against it. Just another way the rich internationalists that run the media twists people's words around. He is really for an individual's liberties, and has openly said in public that he doesn't care what, or who, people do in their spare time. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Well, he never WAS in it, except in a formal, technical way. Yesterday McCain won the nomination. RP no doubt will continue to campaign because he is neurotic enough to continue to campaign. CNN is not ignoring him as much as it is being realistic--why waste time on a minor candidate after the nomination has been confirmed? Are Biden and Richardson being ignored?
And I don't believe RP's main group of supporters are 'primarily young, urban, educated libertarians'. I think his supporters are anti-government survivalists. |
You got it backwards. RP hasn't gotten more support because he has been relatively ignored by the media, and when they do report on him, it is always in some dismissive way, i.e. "long-shot," "fringe," "abolish the IRS," with little or no explanation.
Had he gotten more fair coverage, he'd have garnered more support which in turn would have gotten him more coverage, etc. Get it yet? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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New polls show McCain losing badly to either Clinton or Obama. No surprise. It's been obvious from the outset that the only Republican who could win in November is Ron Paul. That is still true. And that is why Ron Paul is still in the race:
2 hours, 23 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain trails Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in hypothetical matchups, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released on Wednesday.
Illinois Sen. Obama leads McCain by 12 percentage points -- 52 percent to 40 percent; New York Sen. Clinton leads McCain by 6 points -- 50 percent to 44 percent, the poll found.
McCain, an Arizona senator, has turned his attention to the November 4 general election after clinching his party's nomination on Tuesday night. Clinton and Obama are still locked in a close battle for the Democratic nomination.
McCain, endorsed by U.S. President George W. Bush, fares poorly against Clinton and Obama among Americans who disapprove of the president and Americans opposing the war, The Washington Post said.
About two-thirds of Americans disapprove of the way Bush is handling his job and think the war was not worth fighting, the newspaper said.
Age might be another obstacle for 71-year-old McCain, who if elected would be the oldest first-term president.
The percentage of Americans discouraged by McCain's age (27 percent) is more than double the number who would be less enthusiastic about supporting Obama, who would be the first African American president or Clinton, who would be the first female president, the Post reported.
In a campaign pitting McCain against Obama, the veteran Arizona lawmaker pulls ahead of the junior senator from Illinois on the question of "experience." Sixty-eight percent of Americans who favor experience over "change" support McCain. However, 80 percent of those who desire a new direction and new ideas favor Obama, the poll found.
In a matchup with Clinton, the Republican holds a wide lead among those seeking experience while Clinton wins two-thirds of voters seeking change, the newspaper reported.
Obama also leads McCain on top issues in the poll: the economy, health care, immigration and ethics in government. The survey shows McCain with a wide advantage as the one better suited to handle the U.S. campaign against terrorism, the Post said.
The random telephone poll of 1,126 adults was taken February 28 through March 2 and has a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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this election is shaping up to be a race between dumb, dumber, and dumberer |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
And I don't believe RP's main group of supporters are 'primarily young, urban, educated libertarians'. I think his supporters are anti-government survivalists. |
No, no, no. What he wrote was perfectly true...he just forgot to add the letters 'u' and 'n' before "educated". I don't think the survivalists would be willing to come out of their mountain bunkers long enough to vote for him...what if those dirty Commies dropped the bomb while they were in traffic? 
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
New polls show McCain losing badly to either Clinton or Obama. No surprise. It's been obvious from the outset that the only Republican who could win in November is Ron Paul. That is still true. And that is why Ron Paul is still in the race: |
Link to polls that show Ron Paul beating Clinton and Obama, please?
And polls go up and down. McCain at one point was judged the only Republican candidate who could win both the nomination and the presidency. Still is by all accounts. |
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