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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: After Five Years In Iraq, Bush Heils 'Strategic Victory' |
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After Five Years In Iraq, Bush Heils 'Strategic Victory'
Ewen MacAskill in Washington guardian.co.uk, Wednesday March 19 2008
This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Wednesday March 19 2008.
It was last updated at 14:57 on March 19 2008.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2008/mar/12/iraqinvasion
President George Bush showed no sign of regret today when he marked the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq by declaring that the costs in terms of lives and upheaval had been worth it ... and that retreat would threaten both security and the world economy.
He claimed his strategy adopted last year of increasing the number of US troops in Iraq had been a triumph.
"The surge has done more than turn the situation in Iraq around � it has opened the door to a major strategic victory in the broader war on terror," he said.
It was his most upbeat assessment of Iraq since his famous "mission completed" speech on board a US aircraft carrier in May 2003.
Speaking at the Pentagon, he said: "No one would argue that this war has not come at a high cost in lives and treasure � but those costs are necessary when we consider the cost of a strategic victory for our enemies in Iraq.
"If we were to allow our enemies to prevail in Iraq, the violence that is now declining would accelerate � and Iraq could descend into chaos. Al-Qaida would regain its lost sanctuaries and establish new ones � fomenting violence and terror that could spread beyond Iraq's borders, with serious consequences to the world economy."
The exact number of Iraqi dead is "unknown" but estimates run to the hundreds of thousands.
The US military death toll stands at 3,990, up from 3,000 just over a year ago, with 29,395 wounded.
Bush launched the war with a surprise air strike aimed at taking out Saddam Hussein, who was believed, wrongly, to be hiding at a farm outside Baghdad. It was a time of high confidence in the White House, with the hawks and neo-conservatives sure that their project of establishing Iraq as a model of democracy in the Arab world would prevail.
But Bush spoke today with most of the original cast long gone; the most prominent being the former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz.
Public support in the US for the war has dissipated considerably. The two Democratic candidates for the White House, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, have both promised to begin withdrawing troops next year ... if elected. The Republican candidate, John McCain, who visited Iraq this week, has committed himself to keeping the US in Iraq for 100 years ... if necessary.
Bush acknowledged the divisions in the US in his speech. "Five years into this battle, there is an understandable debate over whether the war was worth fighting � whether the fight is worth winning � and whether we can "win" it. The answers are clear to me: Removing Saddam Hussein from power was the right decision � and this is a fight America can and must win."
He claimed that the "surge", which last year saw the number of US troops in Iraq raised by 30,000, had been a triumph.
"For the terrorists, Iraq was supposed to be the place where al-Qaida rallied Arab masses to drive America out. Instead, Iraq has become the place where Arabs joined with Americans to drive al-Qaida out. In Iraq, we are witnessing the first large-scale Arab uprising against Osama bin Laden, his grim ideology, and his terror network."
In words addressed to Clinton and Obama, he said:
"The successes we are seeing in Iraq are undeniable � yet some in Washington still call for retreat. War critics can no longer credibly argue that we are losing in Iraq � so now they argue the war costs too much. In recent months we have heard exaggerated estimates of the costs of this war."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/usa.iraq
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khyber
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Really, how people can still support this twit is a bit beyond me; at least when it comes to this war.
Beyond comprehension. |
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spliff

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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It does seem to have been a great success. We now have an increased hedge in the ME and soon will have the opportunity to expand. McCain will continue this strategy once he's elected. |
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Leonidas

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Further proof that Bush is a moron |
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bacasper

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: After Five Years In Iraq, Bush Hails 'Strategic Victory' |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
After Five Years In Iraq, Bush Hails 'Strategic Victory'
Ewen MacAskill in Washington guardian.co.uk, Wednesday March 19 2008
This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Wednesday March 19 2008.
It was last updated at 14:57 on March 19 2008.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2008/mar/12/iraqinvasion
President George Bush showed no sign of regret today when he marked the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq by declaring that the costs in terms of lives and upheaval had been worth it ... and that retreat would threaten both security and the world economy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/usa.iraq |
That's true. If it hadn't been for the war, we would have lost the three trillion dollars the fed created to pay for it.
(Of course, the dollar would have been worth more without those three trillion.) |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Leonidas wrote: |
Further proof that Bush is a moron |
GW is not a moron.
He's simply not the most intelligent U.S. President the nation has ever known.
Psychologists, meanwhile, might qualify him ( and many other state / gov't leaders, future, current & past ) as a clincal PSYCHOPATH. |
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catman

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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spliff wrote: |
It does seem to have been a great success. We now have an increased hedge in the ME and soon will have the opportunity to expand. McCain will continue this strategy once he's elected. |
Yep, 100 more years.  |
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Funkdafied

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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spliff wrote: |
It does seem to have been a great success. We now have an increased hedge in the ME and soon will have the opportunity to expand. McCain will continue this strategy once he's elected. |
No, it doesn't seem to have been a great sucess. If you look at the cost in american lives and american dollars, plus the fact that it has radicalised huge numbers of muslims who previously had nothing against the US, and that it has provided a huge recruiting tool for AQ, and resulted in an AQ presense in Iraq that was not there before, it can't be seen as anything even close to a sucess. Even having bases there is hardly reason to call it a sucess, sinse those very bases will be factors that inspire huge amounts of young muslim men to join up to AQ or other terrorist groups. And the bases themselves will not be a factor in promoting any of the US's goals in the middle east. You'd have to be either a moron or a right wing radical to see this war as a success. |
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some waygug-in
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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...you forgot liar.
This war was never intended to be a success. It was supposed to be a complete fiasco in order to justify keeping a huge US base in Iraq, a continuing "war on terror", continuing government monies being directed and mis-directed towards arms manufacturers, war scams and the eventual crash of the US economy.
Once the dollar crashes, they will then have an excuse to bring in the new
"Amero" currency, and completely destroy any chance that America will ever recover as a nation state.
If you doubt this, just ask Joo. I'm sure he'll tell you that everything is wonderful. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
Leonidas wrote: |
Further proof that Bush is a moron |
GW is not a moron.
He's simply not the most intelligent U.S. President the nation has ever known. |
I think "best puppet" is probably the best description. |
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spliff

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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some waygug-in wrote: |
...you forgot liar.
This war was never intended to be a success. It was supposed to be a complete fiasco in order to justify keeping a huge US base in Iraq, a continuing "war on terror", continuing government monies being directed and mis-directed towards arms manufacturers, war scams and the eventual crash of the US economy.
Once the dollar crashes, they will then have an excuse to bring in the new
"Amero" currency, and completely destroy any chance that America will ever recover as a nation state.
If you doubt this, just ask Joo. I'm sure he'll tell you that everything is wonderful. |
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some waygug-in
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: |
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I know that you want to...
just keep trying. You'll make it someday.  |
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igotthisguitar

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote: |
Leonidas wrote: |
Further proof that Bush is a moron |
GW is not a moron.
He's simply not the most intelligent U.S. President the nation has ever known. |
I think "best puppet" is probably the best description. |
Explain.
I heard someone recently state, can't quite remember where, he's a double-agent.
The whole country has certinaly gone pretty down-hill ... on his "watch".
Makes me think of Nostrodamus. |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I think the concept of success in this case is relative. Iraq was successful for whom in this world? I don't think I would say the American middle class benefited from the almost trillion dollar bill for a war after being misled. It is one thing if the war didn't cost so much and Iraq won't require a military presence for other few more years. Who has benefited? Well, the Shiites and Kurds have benefited so far, and, possibly, some Sunni Arab sheikhs who didn't have much power in a long time now have some power. Iraq may come out the winner, but so much has been sacrificed by the American people for the war. Hans Blix said it was a mistake. I agree with him, but I don't agree that soft diplomacy would have done much with Saddam, and the Iraqis might be better off in the long-run though Blix doesn't say that. I do have a lot of respect for people like Blix and Halliday. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
igotthisguitar wrote: |
Leonidas wrote: |
Further proof that Bush is a moron |
GW is not a moron.
He's simply not the most intelligent U.S. President the nation has ever known. |
I think "best puppet" is probably the best description. |
Explain. |
The US president is merely the PR person for the interests of capital. Exactly who it is doesn't matter very much. In 2004, the largest donor to the Bush campaign was the president of Citibank; for Gore, it was its vice-president.
"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws." - Mayer Anselm Rothschild, Banker
"Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce...and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of depression and inflation originate." - James A. Gafield, assassinated President of the United States
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of scrutiny all those years.
But the world is now more sophisticated and more prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller, in an address to the Trilateral Commission, 1991 |
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