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Pub. school teachers. How many classes are you teaching ?
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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Pub. school teachers. How many classes are you teaching ? Reply with quote

I currently teach 24 classes a week. I'm paid extra for the 2 classes above my contract requirement so I have no reason to complain. Having spent last year teaching only 19 classes a week I certainly feel the pinch of that extra class a day.

Far from being lazy I put a lot of effort into my classes . Recently my days have gone from 3 classes and a maximum of 4 classes to a minimum of 4 classes and generally 5 classes a day. I have noticed it's really effecting my ability to put enough energy into all my classes. The will is there but the body can't keep up. How many classes do you teach and what do you think is a fair number to expect someone to do with the necessary energy ?

The koreans teachers do a maximum of 17 classes as part of their standard contract and i notice they hardly have energy to drag themselves home at the end of the day . Their classes certainly require less of the pressure to be entertaining that ours do . They also earn the same if not more money . Reason to be upset ?


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Scouse Mouse



Joined: 07 Jan 2007
Location: Cloud #9

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in a similar situation... from 18 last year to 22 this year. I am goosed!
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

13 one week, 14 the next.

(Doesn't include after school program)
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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah poet , that sounds brilliant . Could wake up all enthusiastic with that scenario. The reason I'm asking is to get an indication of how raw a deal I'm getting in the context of what others are expected to teach . I now carry the workload that 2 native speakers used to carry for only an extra 200k a month. Hardly worth it . Contract signing time is here and all that .

Hogwan teachers need not comment that they do more . They aren't expected to sit around school from 8:30 in the morning until 4: 30 everyday , or teach classes of 40 students forced to be there . It takes a lot more out of you.

I still think this is an easy job. But nobody likes doing more than they can get away with right ?


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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it's to little.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other foreigners in my city work 22, 20, and 18 classes a week.
I may work fewer classes, but I also do free stuff. Skit club, debate club, and mentoring a couple of "bad" students.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Pub. school teachers. How many classes are you teaching Reply with quote

bovinerebel wrote:
I currently teach 24 classes a week. I'm paid extra for the 2 classes above my contract requirement so I have no reason to complain. Having spent last year teaching only 19 classes a week I certainly feel the pinch of that extra class a day.

Far from being lazy I put a lot of effort into my classes . Recently my days have gone from 3 classes and a maximum of 4 classes to a minimum of 4 classes and generally 5 classes a day. I have noticed it's really effecting my ability to put enough energy into all my classes. The will is there but the body can't keep up. How many classes do you teach and what do you think is a fair number to expect someone to do with the necessary energy ?

The koreans teachers do a maximum of 17 classes as part of their standard contract and i notice they hardly have energy to drag themselves home at the end of the day . Their classes certainly require less of the pressure to be entertaining that ours do . They also earn the same if not more money . Reason to be upset ?


Do you have to do heaps of paperwork? Do you have organise cleaning parties and make students clean the school? Do you have to enforce school rules like uniform and hair regulations? Do you have to invigilate exams? Do you have spend hours of time talking ot parents? Do you have to work Saturdays? Do you have write exams?

There is an endless list of differnences between your job and the KTs, and I'm guessing that KTs with the same amount of experience in the Korean public school system as you do a lot more work for slightly less money.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
and mentoring a couple of "bad" students.


What do you do w/ them...teach them how to open a beer w/ a cigarette lighter?
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TeeBee



Joined: 18 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm at a public middle school, and I'm on 26 lessons a week at the moment, including after school classes (which I do get extra pay for). I have to agree with bovinerebel that it does get a bit tough putting everything I've got into each lesson. It's frustrating when you really want to do a good job, but when you hit lesson 6 of the day, it starts getting a tad tougher.

BUT, I've had worse jobs with longer hours for less pay, so I'm not going to complain too loudly. Yet.
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Pub. school teachers. How many classes are you teaching Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

There is an endless list of differnences between your job and the KTs, and I'm guessing that KTs with the same amount of experience in the Korean public school system as you do a lot more work for slightly less money.


So true. I often thank my lucky stars I don't have to put up with all the BS my coworkers have to deal with. At least I have time to plan my lessons. They're so bogged down in paperwork, going to class for them is an escape!

OP--18 classes / week.
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nobbyken



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do 20 a week, with 4 after-school classes at 25K/hour.
Zero preparation for normal classes required, just what I choose to put in.
A little prep for after-school classes, but little compared to prep in elementary school.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

22 classes a week with plans to add much much more. :-/

They wanted me to come in for 3 hours (on top of the 22 classes + 3 afterschool classes) every other Saturday. I said no.
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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you have to do heaps of paperwork? Do you have organise cleaning parties and make students clean the school? Do you have to enforce school rules like uniform and hair regulations? Do you have to invigilate exams? Do you have spend hours of time talking ot parents? Do you have to work Saturdays? Do you have write exams?

There is an endless list of differnences between your job and the KTs, and I'm guessing that KTs with the same amount of experience in the Korean public school system as you do a lot more work for slightly less money.


Word . They have it tough .

I only want to compare myself to what other native speakers are doing . If most schools expect less hours then I'll jump ship. If not then I'm quite happy where I am .
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

27*40 minute classes per week and yes, it can be a bit of a chore (but I like the extra 400K+ per month) and I still head home at 4:30.

Public school, 3 mil per month + benefits (airfare, housing, medical, pension, 6 weeks contracted holidays, etc) for teaching fewer classes than a hakwon jockey.

I don't get the downtime that others get but I certainly enjoy the beaches more with the added cash flow during the extra vacation time.

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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last semester 19, which included a wednesday extra class of 1 and a half hours, which because it finished after the 6th period I got paid 40 000 won for it.

This year they're definately trying to cram in more extra. So I'm up to 24 hours. I've agreed to one extra on Tuesday morning and one on Thursday morning. So I'm off to Seoul tomorrow to get a textbook for this because I'm not planning more lessons for the morning ones. I probably spend 4-5 hours a day doing lesson planning so I'm not doing it for the extra. So 20 is included in the contract and I get paid extra for 4 hours each week. Puts me on about 2.7 for the month. Not bad at all.

I won't actually have the full working (24) week starting until April because not all the extra are set up yet. Also similar to ttompatz I'm home at the same time everyday 5:10pm.

I can imagine by June I'll be feeling a little jaded. Which is the perfect time to be re-newing and taking two weeks holiday. Smile
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