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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:13 am Post subject: How about a debate ladies and gentlemen? |
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Hey, guys, I am not sure how this idea would work, but what about an organized debate between opposing sides. There would be rules to the debate. I am not sure how that would work. You would have one user debating another user. I suppose it could be done by poll and you put two next to each other. The two chosen would go for a debate on a particular which could also be chosen by poll. Whoever presents the debate the best based on a poll wins.
Insane idea and migh work, insane idea and won't work, what do you think?
I am thinking for the debate a person debating should put in point form (using a certain amount of points) why they think a certain thing.
You could choose how often the debate could occur, how many posts for each candidate, say 3 and 3.
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Is there a prize? I like prizes. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Is there a prize? I like prizes. |
How about we buy some beer for the local winner at a bar in Itaewon or Hungdae? If someone lives outside they can have someone drink for them by proxy, if there is such a thing. Do you have a better idea? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| We'll need a lot of people. I'm all for mass debating. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: ! |
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| I'm game, even though I'm nowhere near Korea. I haven't pummeled bobster in a long time! |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| The Bobster wrote: |
| Is there a prize? I like prizes. |
How about we buy some beer for the local winner at a bar in Itaewon or Hungdae? If someone lives outside they can have someone drink for them by proxy, if there is such a thing. Do you have a better idea? |
I like beer almost as much as prizes - if it's good beer, of course, none o' that Cass swill - and so beer as a prize is a mighty fine thing.
The best idea would be to have a party, try to get as many of the regulars here as possible to come, and the ones who had previously designated themselves as among the side that later lost would be asked to split the tab among them, but the winning side will of course is drinking for free that night.
In my experience the best way to create a general improvement of the overall mood of the foums has in the past shown to be a party, like one of the semi-annual get-togethers that are usually promulgated on the OT forum. A lot of the rough edges from personality clashes get sandpapered down, at least temporarily, and I've never seen a case where animosity created online were carried over to the real world. There hasn't ever been one specifically targeted to the CE crowd, and there are several people I could think of usually post here and seldom if ever post in the other forums.
And if there's any of the forums really especially needed something like this, it's the Current Events Forum. Am I wrong?
A party might be turn out to be just what the doctor ordered. Who's up for one?
As for the actual mechanics of how a debate would happen or how a winning side is to be determined, others will need to chime in. One thing I like about the whole thing: if we get a habit going of treating things like a game, even serious issue-discussions, a whole lot of the name-calling and general rudeness might decrease.
Something to think about. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| My my my. Look at the thread title. And isn't this from the guy who was asking how we could make the CE forum more inviting to females? |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: How about a debate boys? |
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| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| Whoever presents the debate the best based on a poll wins. |
Then you have reduced the winner to whoever is the most popular, is the most entertaining, is on the side of popular opinion. Someone debating that the earth was flat 500 years ago would have drawn the most votes from the common masses.
What about, whoever presents the truth? |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure I fully understand the ideas in your OP, Enrico, but nevertheless, here's the problem: I don't debate. I whup ass.  Whupping ass isn't debating. My opponents on this board don't debate. They use ad hominem and name calling. That's not debating. They set up simplistic binaries that take place in intellectual vacuums requiring of the observer to imagine everything consensually agreed upon is false so that X can be true. That's not debating. They posit simplistic, lay and base discourse in opposition to scientific consensus. That's not debating.
Debating must be reasonable discourse that seeks to fit small, seemingly conflicting information into the whole. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
I'm not sure I fully understand the ideas in your OP, Enrico, but nevertheless, here's the problem: I don't debate. I whup ass. Whupping ass isn't debating. My opponents on this board don't debate. They use ad hominem and name calling. That's not debating. They set up simplistic binaries that take place in intellectual vacuums requiring of the observer to imagine everything consensually agreed upon is false so that X can be true. That's not debating. They posit simplistic, lay and base discourse in opposition to scientific consensus. That's not debating.
Debating must be reasonable discourse that seeks to fit small, seemingly conflicting information into the whole. |
The debate is compulsory for you just like Korean men joining the military. I am joking, of course. If you don't want to join the debate, just simply say so instead of trying to sound like a character in a Shakespeare play above:) But, thanks for the input. Anyway, I am not sure you've been very scientific. This is not about you, this is about which members want to join a debate, and how they want it organized.
Big Bird, yes, I didn't include women on there, because I was being a chauvinist male. Actually, Bobster gave me too much free beer, and I just forgot. Thanks for the heads, up! Can you participate despite the monsters you have in tow? It shouldn't be complicated:)
Okay, let's have the two people or whatever selected say by Friday?
If this doesn't take some kind of organized format, it won't have wings to fly... Otherwise, it will be "I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings...". |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of debate? Lincoln-Douglas or Policy?
On a related note, is there an equivalent in England, Australia, etc. to High School/College/University Debate? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| A naughty self-confessed chauvenist hog wrote: |
| Big Bird, yes, I didn't include women on there, because I was being a chauvinist male. Actually, Bobster gave me too much free beer, and I just forgot. Thanks for the heads, up! Can you participate despite the monsters you have in tow? It shouldn't be complicated:) |
I think this could be a lot of fun, and I'd like to participate, though the monsters will often make it hard for me to participate in real time - i.e. I'd need some flexi-time to make my contributions. However, I've got mid-term exams/assessments coming up and can't join in this time. But if it becomes a regularly occurence, I shall certainly put my hand up for it in the future. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: How about a debate boys? |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| Whoever presents the debate the best based on a poll wins. |
Then you have reduced the winner to whoever is the most popular, is the most entertaining, is on the side of popular opinion. Someone debating that the earth was flat 500 years ago would have drawn the most votes from the common masses.
What about, whoever presents the truth? |
Junior, as far as whoever presents the "truth". That's a tricky thing.
Remember, junior, in the US and Canada there are trials by jury, right?
In the end, you have several human beings determining who they think is right and wrong. That's how we come to general ideas of truth, I suppose, right? It is not a question of who is popular, but who people thought presented their points the best. I think the person should have a set number of points to make in number form. This has to be organized.
A poster can write in a paragraph their argument and then in summary point form using 4 or 5 points present what they said. Then after 3 posts each, posters decide who the person is. Also, I don't think posters should simply choose one person from the Right to be against a person from the Left. They could have two Conservatives debating each other, and it would remind people that people in either camp are not uniform in thinking.
Fair questions, though. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Re: How about a debate boys? |
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| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| In the end, you have several human beings determining who they think is right and wrong. |
On what flawed human sociological drives? The Jury acquitted Oj because it had a high % of black members and out of ignorance because it was early days in profiling, and none of them, questiones later, actually knew much about DNA evidence and that it is, actually, conclusive.
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| It is not a question of who is popular, but who people thought presented their points the best. I think the person should have a set number of points to make in number form. |
People go with their gut instincts though when it comes to which side to take. Logic plays little part, social conditioning -everything.
For example if I wrote 3 points to defeat evolution
ie a) The mechanism for the theory has never been demonstrated.
b) The entire fossil record is overwhelmingly against evolutioon ever having occured and
c) 99% of people who accept evolution have only the faintest idea of what it is supposed to entail thanks to decades of one-sided popular media.
Then that is enough, by all standards of logic and reason, to win over a jury. But is that what ever happens? No. Because the majority of people simply want to believe in evolution for their own personal reasons.
Anyway, I don't have enough time to participate in the debate, but good luck with it anyway. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| I think this would be a very interesting idea - maybe even time limits to responses (like, one day or something). |
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