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		jackson7
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:38 am    Post subject: "fake" one-way ticket for pension refund destinati | 
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				Hey All,
 
 
I'm going to get my national pension refund for the last two years so I can pay off some high-interest debt, but I'm not leaving Korea.
 
 
I've read the e-ticket won't be a problem.  
 
 
Does the destination make a difference?  I don't want to buy an expensive ticket to the U.S. and when I could easily buy a cheaper one to Japan or China.  Yes, I realize that I'll be getting a refund, but I'd worry less about how long it would take to get a 400 dollar refund rather than a 1400 dollar one.  
 
 
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		kprrok
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject:  | 
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				So you're admitting you plan to commit fraud by requesting your refund before you are actually departing Korea?
 
 
No wonder we foreigners have such a sterling reputation here!
 
 
As for the rest of my answer, I've heard it doesn't matter where the destination is, so long as it's one-way out of Korea.
 
 
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		yingwenlaoshi
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:17 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Does it matter if it goes to a Korean account? That's my question.
 
 
Fraud? Whatever. It's not fraud. They can't read your mind. For all they know you haver every intention of leaving, but changed your mind and decided to stay and work. Big deal. Besides, the money is yours.
 
 
And if you think it's fraud because you aren't paying pension at your current job, think again. The boss refuses to pay pension, so there's really nothing you can do save giving yourself a headache for going into the pension office only to have them tell you that it's a common thing for employers to do this for "tax breaks." Fk 'em. Nothing to do with fraud. Like I said, they can't read your mind. | 
			 
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		CentralCali
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Well, you'll enjoy the answer you get from your local pension office, no doubt.  The established procedure--and the one the office is supposed to follow--is:
 
 
- You present proof of your one-way ticket out of Korea.
 
 - You apply for a refund of your pension funds (to include employer's contribution).
 
 - As part of that application, you provide the information for the bank account to which the funds will be transferred.
 
 - You depart Korea.
 
 - After an established period (I don't recall the term, perhaps two months), the Pension Office checks with Immigration to determine if you have parted Korea or if you have a current visa to remain in or return to the country.
 
 - After Immigration concurs that you have departed Korea permanently, the Pension Office transfers your funds to the aforementioned account.
  
 
 
It doesn't matter if it goes to a Korean account.  The Pension Office in Incheon advised my buddy who left Korea two years ago to set up an account with Fine Bank (I forget their new name) and use their international ATM card to withdraw the funds.  Worked like a charm. | 
			 
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		kprrok
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  [*]After an established period (I don't recall the term, perhaps two months), the Pension Office checks with Immigration to determine if you have parted Korea or if you have a current visa to remain in or return to the country.
 
[*]After Immigration concurs that you have departed Korea permanently, the Pension Office transfers your funds to the aforementioned account.[/list] | 
	 
 
 
 
That's new information.  Haven't heard of it before, but it sounds like it could be correct.  I didn't know they checked with immi.
 
 
I have heard from friends that they applied with an F-2 but were leaving for a bit.  I can't recall how long they were gone, but they did get a refund.
 
 
I applied for a refund in February, was told I'd have it last week.  BUT, my plans changed and I'm back in Korea now so what you wrote may explain why I don't have it yet.  I even told the pension guy that I was planning to return, especially to keep my VISA valid so I didn't have to re-apply.  He didn't seem to have any problem, but since I ended up coming back so soon, that may be the problem.
 
 
Thanks for the info cali.
 
 
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		yingwenlaoshi
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  Well, you'll enjoy the answer you get from your local pension office, no doubt.  The established procedure--and the one the office is supposed to follow--is:
 
 
[list][*]You present proof of your one-way ticket out of Korea.
 
[*]You apply for a refund of your pension funds (to include employer's contribution).
 
[*]As part of that application, you provide the information for the bank account to which the funds will be transferred.
 
[*]You depart Korea.
 
[*]After an established period (I don't recall the term, perhaps two months), the Pension Office checks with Immigration to determine if you have parted Korea or if you have a current visa to remain in or return to the country.
 
[*]After Immigration concurs that you have departed Korea permanently, the Pension Office transfers your funds to the aforementioned account.[/list]
 
 
It doesn't matter if it goes to a Korean account.  The Pension Office in Incheon advised my buddy who left Korea two years ago to set up an account with Fine Bank (I forget their new name) and use their international ATM card to withdraw the funds.  Worked like a charm. | 
	 
 
 
 
 
They actually check to see whether you've left Korea or not? Hmm. Guess we can't stay in the country and collect it. The OP was looking to collect it and remain in the country (I think). Me too. Oh well.
 
 
ttompatz?
 
 
Has anyone collected it and remained working in the country doing the fake ticket thingy? | 
			 
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		yingwenlaoshi
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  [*]After an established period (I don't recall the term, perhaps two months), the Pension Office checks with Immigration to determine if you have parted Korea or if you have a current visa to remain in or return to the country.
 
[*]After Immigration concurs that you have departed Korea permanently, the Pension Office transfers your funds to the aforementioned account.[/list] | 
	 
 
 
 
That's new information.  Haven't heard of it before, but it sounds like it could be correct.  I didn't know they checked with immi.
 
 
I have heard from friends that they applied with an F-2 but were leaving for a bit.  I can't recall how long they were gone, but they did get a refund.
 
 
I applied for a refund in February, was told I'd have it last week.  BUT, my plans changed and I'm back in Korea now so what you wrote may explain why I don't have it yet.  I even told the pension guy that I was planning to return, especially to keep my VISA valid so I didn't have to re-apply.  He didn't seem to have any problem, but since I ended up coming back so soon, that may be the problem.
 
 
Thanks for the info cali.
 
 
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Please let us know if you get it. Could be in your account anytime now. I want to apply for it and not leave the country.
 
 
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		gmat
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| You can collect it before you leave as long as you have an outward ticket, even if it is only to Japan via ferry.  I had it within days in my Korean bank account before I left the country. | 
			 
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		kprrok
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject:  | 
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				I did go to Japan.  Only problem is I came back before it was deposited.  My wife called today and they said to call back on Thursday.
 
 
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		lastat06513
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I've collected my pension 2 TIMES while living in Korea and not going anywhere.
 
 
You need:
 
 
~ SSN (if you're an American)
 
~ Korean bank book
 
~ A "one-way" ticket out of Korea (I've used China and the Philippines)
 
~ ARC
 
~ Passport
 
~ Release letter from your job
 
 
I think alot has changed since 2005, so the best thing to do is to go to the local district pension office, tell them you are 'leaving' Korea and jot down all the documents you need to file for your pension. Also let them know that you have a 'friend' in Korea who will transfer the money for you once it is in Korean bank account.
 
 
If it is transferred into a Korean bank account, it can take anywhere from 4 days to a week to get.......good luck! | 
			 
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		Zaria32
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| People bandy the word fraud around all too readily. There's no fraud here. | 
			 
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		lastat06513
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | There's no fraud here. | 
	 
 
 
 
It is fraud if you're a foriegner trying to milk the Korean system.
 
 
What ever happened to the saying: when in Rome, do what the Romans do.........   
 
 
If you can find a loophole through something, jump..... | 
			 
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		jadarite
 
  
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	  | What ever happened to the saying: when in Rome, do what the Romans do......... Question  | 
	 
 
 
 
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		cruisemonkey
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject:  | 
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[*]You depart Korea.
 
[*]After an established period (I don't recall the term, perhaps two months), the Pension Office checks with Immigration to determine if you have parted Korea or if you have a current visa to remain in or return to the country.
 
[*]After Immigration concurs that you have departed Korea permanently, the Pension Office transfers your funds to the aforementioned account.[/list]. | 
	 
 
 
 
These three points are just wrong. I collected my lump sum pension refund BEFORE I departed Korea. I went to the pension office with the application, all the necessary documents... told them I was switching jobs and coming back to K-land in a month. They deposited my refund in my Korean bank account the day before I left.   | 
			 
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		CentralCali
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Those are the rules the pension office is supposed to be following. | 
			 
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