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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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The conscious living entity isn't composed of unconscious matter, but it is covered by it to various degrees according to the material modes of goodness, passion, and ignorance.
In the Vedic view, every species has it's specific level of conciousness.
Every sub-human species is completely controlled by the interacting modes of material nature, and humans can elevate or degrade their consciousness by their association (eg: by avoiding food and drink in the mode of ignorance...)
There are said to be innumerable universes, all of them are floating in a sea of consciousness, and each universe represents a different set of consciousness.
I think that quantum theory has already demonstrated that even finite consciousness can influence matter. The infinite consciousness of God controls everything ... |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Rteacher wrote: |
The conscious living entity isn't composed of unconscious matter, but it is covered by it to various degrees according to the material modes of goodness, passion, and ignorance.
In the Vedic view, every species has it's specific level of conciousness.
Every sub-human species is completely controlled by the interacting modes of material nature, and humans can elevate or degrade their consciousness by their association (eg: by avoiding food and drink in the mode of ignorance...)
There are said to be innumerable universes, all of them are floating in a sea of consciousness, and each universe represents a different set of consciousness.
I think that quantum theory has already demonstrated that even finite consciousness can influence matter. The infinite consciousness of God controls everything ... |
I believe that existance is elsewhere. What you are experiencing right now is not real. Your body isn't real.your job isn't real, Korea isn't real.
Concepts like culture and language are not real either.
The real reality is beyound your comprehension. There is proof of that but that's not for us to understand. The more we try to understand the world we live in the more confused we become. We need to stop struggling to try to understand things and then things will reveal themselves to us. |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I believe that existance is elsewhere. What you are experiencing right now is not real. Your body isn't real.your job isn't real, Korea isn't real.
Concepts like culture and language are not real either.
The real reality is beyound your comprehension. There is proof of that but that's not for us to understand. The more we try to understand the world we live in the more confused we become. We need to stop struggling to try to understand things and then things will reveal themselves to us. |
Nothing is real = Everything is real.
At every level, you have to deal with the reality/unreality of your perception.
Existence be? Is nothing? What do? See only?
Desire is the most fundamental reality. It leads you through all realities and illusions toward creation. |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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The Creation Hymn of Rig Veda
There was neither non-existence nor existence then.
There was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond.
What stirred?
Where?
In whose protection?
Was there water, bottomlessly deep?
There was neither death nor immortality then.
There was no distinguishing sign of night nor of day.
That One breathed, windless, by its own impulse.
Other than that there was nothing beyond.
Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning,
with no distinguishing sign, all this was water.
The life force that was covered with emptiness,
that One arose through the power of heat.
Desire came upon that One in the beginning,
that was the first seed of mind.
Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom
found the bond of existence and non-existence.
Their cord was extended across.
Was there below?
Was there above?
There were seed-placers, there were powers.
There was impulse beneath, there was giving forth above.
Who really knows?
Who will here proclaim it?
Whence was it produced?
Whence is this creation?
The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Who then knows whence it has arisen?
Whence this creation has arisen
� perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not �
the One who looks down on it,
in the highest heaven, only He knows
or perhaps He does not know.
Translation by Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Your member, baby.
What up, Leslie? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
I believe that existance is elsewhere. What you are experiencing right now is not real. Your body isn't real.your job isn't real, Korea isn't real.
Concepts like culture and language are not real either.
The real reality is beyound your comprehension. There is proof of that but that's not for us to understand. The more we try to understand the world we live in the more confused we become. We need to stop struggling to try to understand things and then things will reveal themselves to us. |
Nothing is real = Everything is real.
At every level, you have to deal with the reality/unreality of your perception.
Existence be? Is nothing? What do? See only?
Desire is the most fundamental reality. It leads you through all realities and illusions toward creation. |
The big questions in life can not be answered by intellect. Naked intellect is meaningless. All you seek is meaningless. You have get to throw youself into the abyss. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Your member, baby.
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I thought that was a man's brain.  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| You sound like a woman who can appreciate a nice, well-developed brain. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Deary me. Men and their brains... 
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Nothing is real = Everything is real.
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Doesn't necessarily follow from a logical point of view.
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| Desire is the most fundamental reality. |
You state these things as if they're factual. Clearly this is a very weak proposition. Did you pull it from your fundament or read it somewhere? Have you even thought it through?
Desire is clearly a higher order concept, and not at all a candidate to be considered "fundamental".
Physical reality is clearly the best candidate for a fundamental reality. And if you see desire as a physical urge, note that it is still only a very tiny part of the whole of physical reality.
God I hate hippy's, they're just too lazy to think things through properly. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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"Like violent psychiatric patients, violent criminals have also been found to have a disproportionate share of brain injuries. For example, of the 29 death row inmates all were found from hospital records or neurological tests to have had a head trauma, ranging from falls from trees in childhood to regular beatings."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE5DB133BF934A3575BC0A966958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
So are these death row inmates really responsible for the horrible crimes they have committed? |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Kepler wrote: |
"Like violent psychiatric patients, violent criminals have also been found to have a disproportionate share of brain injuries. For example, of the 29 death row inmates all were found from hospital records or neurological tests to have had a head trauma, ranging from falls from trees in childhood to regular beatings."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE5DB133BF934A3575BC0A966958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
So are these death row inmates really responsible for the horrible crimes they have committed? |
Yep. If we start exculpating people on the basis of mental dysfunction that falls short of true insanity (as defined by the M'Naghten rule, i.e. the inability to predict consequences and distinguish right from wrong), then we'll never stop. The US has already started down this road, sadly.
Of course most repeat criminals have some kind of mental defect. Fully functional, healthy people don't usually opt for a "career" that is grossly immoral, extremely dangerous, and has a sh*tty retirement plan. But there's a difference between a reason and an excuse. |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Nothing is real = Everything is real.
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Doesn't necessarily follow from a logical point of view.
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| Desire is the most fundamental reality. |
You state these things as if they're factual. Clearly this is a very weak proposition. Did you pull it from your fundament or read it somewhere? Have you even thought it through?
Desire is clearly a higher order concept, and not at all a candidate to be considered "fundamental".
Physical reality is clearly the best candidate for a fundamental reality. And if you see desire as a physical urge, note that it is still only a very tiny part of the whole of physical reality.
God I hate hippy's, they're just too lazy to think things through properly. |
Mea culpa. No more pearls before swine.
I am smiling. No ill feelings.  |
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