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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: NEWS THAT'S NO NEWS: HILLARY'S IN TO THE BITTER END |
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Well, it's official, as if we didn't already know, Hillary Rodham Clinton is staying in the race until the custodian pushes her out of the Democratic Party convention hall in Denver just before pulling the switch on the lights.
This just in with running commentary:
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Clinton rules out leaving race early
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
If Hillary Rodham Clinton is feeling heat from pundits and party elders to quit the race and back Barack Obama, you'd never know it from her crowds, energy level and upbeat demeanor on the campaign trail.
"There are millions of reasons to continue this race: people in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, and all of the contests yet to come," Clinton told reporters Friday. "This is a very close race and clearly I believe strongly that everyone should have their voices heard and their votes counted." [It has nothing to do with her ego, of course]
The former first lady weathered a two-pronged blow Friday, [ouch, that had to hurt, but then again, hmm...] with influential Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey Jr. endorsing Obama and another Senate colleague, Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, urging her to step aside. But to hear Clinton tell it, it was just another day in an epic primary battle whose result is still not known [she's a relativist, don't forget]
"I believe a spirited [good euphemism] contest is good for the Democratic Party and will strengthen the eventual nominee," she said. [deluding herself] "We will have a united party behind whomever that nominee is. ... I look forward to campaigning over the next several months." [none of my backers will have sour grapes--none!]
Traveling across Indiana, the former first lady was greeted by large, enthusiastic audiences who roared their approval at her proposals to help fix the state's economic challenges. [and a chicken in every pot!]
At events here and in North Carolina on Thursday, Clinton raised the issue of whether she should quit the race, only to have it firmly batted down by her supporters. [It's Hill-Bill or no one]
"There are some people who are saying, you know, we really ought to end this primary, we just ought to shut it down," she said in Mishawaka, Ind., drawing cries of "No, no!" inside a packed gymnasium.
In Hammond, she compared the state's struggling steel industry to her own efforts to fight the odds [i.e. against Bill's dalliance].
"I know a little bit about comebacks," she said to cheers. "I know what it's like to be counted down and counted out. But I also know there is nothing that will keep us down if we are determined to keep on." [now she sounds like a boxing promoter]
Yet despite the optimistic talk, there is no doubt that Clinton faces an uphill battle to secure securing her party's nod. [she doesn't need a nod, just a wink from the superdelegates]
She trails Obama among pledged delegates and is not expected to close that gap even with a strong showing in the 10 remaining primaries. She also trails in the popular vote and probably cannot make up the deficit without revotes in Michigan and Florida, whose January primary results were nullified because they broke party rules. Neither state is expected to go through with new contests. [because they've already made fools of themselves]
As a result, the so-called "superdelegates" � some 800 elected officials and party insiders who can choose to support any candidate � would risk intraparty rebellion if they backed Clinton. [not that that will stop them]
The New York senator reaffirmed her belief that superdelegates will base their choice on which candidate would make the best president and would have the best chance to beat Republican John McCain in November. [unless, of course, she were the frontrunner, not Obama]
All the more reason to look forward to Pennsylvania's primary April 22, Indiana and North Carolina's May 6 and the handful of others that follow, Clinton insisted.
"There will be additional information that will inform those decisions that will come from these upcoming contests," she said.
Dismissing concerns raised by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean that a prolonged contest would demoralize the party base, Clinton pointed to a recent surge in voter registration and projected turnout in Pennsylvania. Democratic registration went up by 4 percent in the state this year, while it declined 1 percent among Republicans. [Hey, they like me!]
"Both Senator Obama and I have brought millions of new people into the process," she said. "People are registering to vote for him and to vote for me. They're part now of the Democratic Party."
Asked what she thought of Obama's comment Friday that the Democratic primary race resembled "a good movie that lasted about a half-hour too long," Clinton smiled broadly and said, "I like long movies. |
As also predicted, Hillary will not give in even if Obama were to actually win Pennsylvannia. And look for Schumer and company to really schmooze it up with her in the New York primary. That ought to make anyone ill.
Do you think she has a snowball's chance in Hades of gaining the nomination at the last minute? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, honestly I do.
Let me tell you why:
1) The Super Delegates
2) Lawsuits-This at least one lawsuit (the one in Florida) and there could be ones filed in Texas.
3) Never underestimate the Clintons |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: |
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C'mon, Dave of Oregon, you know me better than that.
When have I ever underestimated the Clintons on this forum?
But seriously, doesn't she realize that if she hijacks the nomination and represents the Dems in the general election without a popular mandate from the party faithful, she might as well hand the Presidency to McCain on a silver platter?
I know they have huge egos, but are they that hel-l bent on winning that they would cut off their noses to spite their faces? Jeez, Louise.
If it comes to that, you and other Obama backers (and I might soon count myself among them) would have every reason to be disgruntled, don't you think?
And here's an interesting point of comparison: Hillary and John get along rather well off the public circuit. I wonder if they recognize that they both have a mean streak in them and therefore share the view that all's fair in love and war and politics? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
C'mon, Dave of Oregon, you know me better than that.
When have I ever underestimated the Clintons on this forum?
But seriously, doesn't she realize that if she hijacks the nomination and represents the Dems in the general election without a popular mandate from the party faithful, she might as well hand the Presidency to McCain on a silver platter?
I know they have huge egos, but are they that hel-l bent on winning that they would cut off their noses to spite their faces? Jeez, Louise.
If it comes to that, you and other Obama backers (and I might soon count myself among them) would have every reason to be disgruntled, don't you think?
And here's an interesting point of comparison: Hillary and John get along rather well off the public circuit. I wonder if they recognize that they both have a mean streak in them and therefore share the view that all's fair in love and war and politics? |
Steve, I wasn't saying you, but stating that people in general shouldn't underestimate her.
I think her and McCain probably do have a good working relationship, but I'd bet that will change if they go head to head against each other. It would be a tough race that's for sure.
As to being disgruntled, I'm still waiting to see how thing work out before getting too worked up. There are some encouraging news stories that things may be wrapped up in June. I don't see why the super delegates would need to wait much longer to end this after the last primary.
By the way, if you decide to support Obama, I'll gladly pour you the first glass of Kool-aid. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
C'mon, Dave of Oregon, you know me better than that.
When have I ever underestimated the Clintons on this forum?
But seriously, doesn't she realize that if she hijacks the nomination and represents the Dems in the general election without a popular mandate from the party faithful, she might as well hand the Presidency to McCain on a silver platter?
I know they have huge egos, but are they that hel-l bent on winning that they would cut off their noses to spite their faces? Jeez, Louise.
If it comes to that, you and other Obama backers (and I might soon count myself among them) would have every reason to be disgruntled, don't you think?
And here's an interesting point of comparison: Hillary and John get along rather well off the public circuit. I wonder if they recognize that they both have a mean streak in them and therefore share the view that all's fair in love and war and politics? |
Steve, I wasn't saying you, but stating that people in general shouldn't underestimate her.
I think her and McCain probably do have a good working relationship, but I'd bet that will change if they go head to head against each other. It would be a tough race that's for sure.
As to being disgruntled, I'm still waiting to see how thing work out before getting too worked up. There are some encouraging news stories that things may be wrapped up in June. I don't see why the super delegates would need to wait much longer to end this after the last primary.
By the way, if you decide to support Obama, I'll gladly pour you the first glass of Kool-aid. |
Here's something that Obama said today that I think Steve would like (and a comment I agree with too):
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ggw1eZa-rfbs8Eq4wiNE0JV0eAYgD8VMRMA80
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GREENSBURG, Pa. (AP) � Sen. Barack Obama said Friday he would return the country to the more "traditional" foreign policy efforts of past presidents, such as George H.W. Bush, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.
At a town hall event at a local high school gymnasium, Obama praised George H.W. Bush � father of the president � for the way he handled the Persian Gulf War: with a large coalition and carefully defined objectives.
Obama began a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, the largest remaining primary prize in the contest with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Sen. John McCain is the Republican nominee-in-waiting.
"The truth is that my foreign policy is actually a return to the traditional bipartisan realistic policy of George Bush's father, of John F. Kennedy, of, in some ways, Ronald Reagan, and it is George Bush that's been naive and it's people like John McCain and, unfortunately, some Democrats that have facilitated him acting in these naive ways that have caused us so much damage in our reputation around the world," he said.
Obama faced criticism in January from Clinton and then-challenger John Edwards for saying Reagan had changed the trajectory of American politics � and that Republicans had been the party of ideas for the last decade or more.
In one of the more heated moments of the Democratic debates, Clinton challenged him directly on the topic, saying those GOP ideas were "bad for America, and I was fighting against those ideas."
In his speech Friday night, the Illinois senator charged that Clinton, for all her criticism of the current President Bush, has too often gone along with his decisions. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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I think he's trying to make an appeal to moderates, likely who are against the war and not happy with the type of diplomatic relations we have with other countries right now.
I'd be interested to hear Steve's take too. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Under normal circumstances I would've ignored this thread, but something came up on Friday that has got the Internet people buzzing.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/howard_dean_pushing_for_a_deci.html
In the article, Howard Dean stated that he wants those superdelegates to hurry up and pick.
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| While encouraging superdelegates to pick a candidate shortly after the voting ends in June, he will encourage no one to vote one way or another. While Obama�s campaign encourages superdelegates to back the candidate with the most pledged delegates � Obama � Dean maintains that the party�s rules do not require that and superdelegates are free to move as they please. |
If she wants to be hardheaded, those superdelegates she needs are not going to support her in the numbers she needs from them to win. They don't want a 'train-wreck' in Denver and they're not going to let Clinton force them into one. And so, the consolation prize is at hand.
Will Clinton be governor of New York?
The reporter also mentioned the possibility of her being offered the Senate Majority leader position as an enticement to exit the race.
We'll see after PA, IN, NC, and OR... |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Obama's got his head screwed on right if he actually follows through with what he says.
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| At a town hall event at a local high school gymnasium, Obama praised George H.W. Bush � father of the president � for the way he handled the Persian Gulf War: with a large coalition and carefully defined objectives. |
Glad to see a Dem recognizes that Bush, Sr. assembled one of the finest advisory teams when he assumed office. Baker and company were patient and masterful in building the coalition but his son squandered it trying to prove to Daddy that he's a man and not a rah-rah frat boy. Bush, Sr. advised his son against going to war.
Sidebar: It'll be interesting to see if Oliver Stone bothers to show that in W, or instead goes for the "historical fiction" angle with the emphasis on the latter as he did in JFK and Nixon. My hunch is that he will demonize the whole family. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| agentX wrote: |
Will Clinton be governor of New York?
The reporter also mentioned the possibility of her being offered the Senate Majority leader position as an enticement to exit the race.
We'll see after PA, IN, NC, and OR... |
That is a good enticement. Hard to turn that one down. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, Steve, if only we could be like China and appoint our leaders.
That would be great! |
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