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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: SHOULD BRITS LET HIP HOP SLOP KING SNOOP DOG BOW-WOW? |
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Snoop Dog barked before the right doors and got a reprieve. But now British authorities are barking back:
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Britain is appealing a court's decision to allow Snoop Dogg into the country, the Border Agency said Friday. He was barred from Britain after he was arrested on charges of violent disorder at London's Heathrow Airport in 2006. But the hip-hop heavyweight successfully appealed the ban and received entry clearance from an asylum and immigration tribunal in January.
The Border Agency said Friday it would challenge the ruling at a hearing next week.
In March 2007, Snoop Dogg (real name: Cordozar Calvin Broadus Jr.) was forced to cancel a tour of Britain with fellow rap icon Sean "Diddy" Combs after authorities denied him a visa.
That followed an incident in which Snoop Dogg and five others were arrested on charges of violent disorder and starting a brawl at Heathrow in which seven officers were injured. Trouble flared when some in his party were denied entry to British Airways' first-class lounge at the airport.
In April 2007, Snoop Dogg was refused entry into Australia, with then-Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews saying the rapper "doesn't seem the sort of bloke we want in this country."
A former associate of the Los Angeles gang the Crips, Snoop Dogg built his early career on recordings offering gritty details of gang life. |
Should the Dogg and his ghetto smirk be allowed in or not?
(And for those of you who support him, try to get beyond evoking freedom of speech to the actual issue at hand here).
Disclaimer: notice I didn't use the words 'music" and "singer' in this post. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Say, this reminds me... Does anyone remember when Japan arrested and then banned that un-couth, drug taker, Paul McCartney?
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McCartney's introduction to drugs started in Hamburg, Germany. The Beatles had to play for hours, and they were often given "Prellies" (Preludin) by German customers or by Astrid Kirchherr (whose mother bought them). McCartney would usually take one, but Lennon would often take four or five.
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In spite of his statements then, and his admission (in 2004) that he had used cocaine, McCartney was not arrested by Norman Pilcher's Drug Squad, as had been Lennon, Harrison, Donovan, and several members of the Rolling Stones. In 1972, however, police found cannabis plants growing on his Scottish farm.
On 16 January 1980, Wings went to Tokyo for 11 concerts in Japan.Whilst McCartney went through customs, officials found 7.7 ounces (218.3 g) of cannabis in his luggage. He was arrested and taken to a Tokyo prison whilst the Japanese government decided what to do. McCartney had been previously denied a visa to Japan (in 1975) because he had been convicted twice in Europe for possession of cannabis. Public figures called for McCartney to be tried by a jury for drug-smuggling. Had he been tried and convicted, he would have faced up to seven years in prison. The members of Wings cancelled the tour and left Japan. After ten days in jail, McCartney was released and deported. He was told that he would not be welcome in Japan again, although a decade later he played a concert in Tokyo.[78] In 1984, Paul and Linda McCartney were both arrested in Connecticut for possession of marijuana. |
Man, I tell you, the lack of morals in youth culture those days. Disgusting stuff. I guess we're all just lucky Band On The Run didn't trigger World War III |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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In March 2007, Snoop Dogg (real name: Cordozar Calvin Broadus Jr.) was forced to cancel a tour of Britain with fellow rap icon Sean "Diddy" Combs after authorities denied him a visa.
That followed an incident in which Snoop Dogg and five others were arrested on charges of violent disorder and starting a brawl at Heathrow in which seven officers were injured. Trouble flared when some in his party were denied entry to British Airways' first-class lounge at the airport.
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If I pulled this kind of stunt at Inchon, I don't doubt for a second that I'd be banned from Korea forever. That's just the s.o.p. in this type of case, I would assume. So I don't see any particular need to make an exception for Snoop Dogg in this regard. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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If I pulled this kind of stunt at Inchon, I don't doubt for a second that I'd be banned from Korea forever. That's just the s.o.p. in this type of case, I would assume. So I don't see any particular need to make an exception for Snoop Dogg in this regard. |
While I see your point, I think we can both agree that in your case you wouldn't be returning to perform at sold-out stadiums and concert halls. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| I think we can both agree that in your case you wouldn't be returning to perform at sold-out stadiums and concert halls. |
I don't quite see what difference that makes. |
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blaseblasphemener
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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I think we can both agree that in your case you wouldn't be returning to perform at sold-out stadiums and concert halls. |
I don't quite see what difference that makes. |
Really, you don't? What planet are you living on? Utopia? |
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Pink Freud
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand Dubya is still allowed into Britain, so you have to admit that the bar is set rather low... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
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| I think we can both agree that in your case you wouldn't be returning to perform at sold-out stadiums and concert halls. |
I don't quite see what difference that makes. |
Really, you don't? What planet are you living on? Utopia? |
Well, since I'm apparently out in la-la land on this, perhaps someone can explain it to me.
I have to come to Korea for work. But if I start a fight with the cops at Inchon airport, I will be denied any further entry into Korea. And the Korean government probably isn't going to care that there are people who have signed up to take my classes at the hagwon.
As far as I can see, Snoop Dogg is in an identical position to the one I would be in. The only difference would be the size of the audience that is waiting to see him. But that's a difference of degree, not of kind. To argue that that difference should be taken into account is basically to say that someone who has thousands of paying customers should get special treatment over someone who only has a few dozen. One law for the rich, one law for the poor, essentially.
But if there is some other difference here that is eluding me, I invite anyone interested to point it out to me. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| rich and famous people have always gotten special treatment. It's not fair, but that's the way it is. A hagwon teacher is not equal to an International music star. There are different rules, period. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| rich and famous people have always gotten special treatment. It's not fair, but that's the way it is. A hagwon teacher is not equal to an International music star. There are different rules, period. |
Well, I guess if you're argument comes down to "I admit it's not fair, but that's the way it is", we don't have much to discuss. But you could probably dismiss any number of debates that way. Should judges give lighter sentences to celebrities who have been convicted of the same crime as nobodies? Well, it's not fair but that's the way it is. And so on and so forth. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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OTOH:
No, you're not out in la-la land on this; you're trying to be fairminded.
twg sniped:
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| Say, this reminds me... Does anyone remember when Japan arrested and then banned that un-couth, drug taker, Paul McCartney? |
As well he should have been under those circumstances. Why should celebs get a break? I like McCartney's music a lot and respect his musicianship but it's beside the point. If you took some time off from your sniping long enough to scratch your head (instead of your azz) to actually consider the matter, you'd see that point.
Of course, Calvin has another strike against him: he's not an artist except to those to whom he appeals with his ghetto subculture. And just so no one thinks I'm trying to single him out, I detest punk rock and most heavy metal as well. |
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flip ant
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| rich and famous people have always gotten special treatment. It's not fair, but that's the way it is. A hagwon teacher is not equal to an International music star. There are different rules, period. |
Then thank god OJ got off. No one should say anything because "that's the way it is." |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| If you took some time off from your sniping long enough to scratch your head (instead of your azz) to actually consider the matter, you'd see that point. |
This is partially true. However, the ass I'm scratching goes by the handle "stevemcgarrett"
And yes, a country has the right to enforce it's law as at it see fit, however that's not really your point...
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| Of course, Calvin has another strike against him: he's not an artist except to those to whom he appeals with his ghetto subculture. And just so no one thinks I'm trying to single him out, I detest punk rock and most heavy metal as well. |
How does this absolve you from the fact that you are singling him out based on your personal tastes in entertainment?
Snoop Dogg not being allowed into the UK is a pretty irrelevant topic. You bringing it up is little more than your typical cane-waving at those darned kids for liking music you don't and showing how out of touch with youth culture you really are.
And here's just how out of touch you are: Those darned kids see Snoop as old and unimportant in their lives as a musician. To them, he's a guy doing reality shows.
Steve, this topic couldn't be more irrelevant if you started another thread about Jimmy Carter and his policies as president. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| Steve posted something about Snoop Dogg? You're slipping man. No Coke for you today. Bow wow |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Steve posted something about Snoop Dogg? You're slipping man. No Coke for you today. Bow wow |
He can eat my soup! The specialty is French onion soup. If he doesn't like that, I also have clam chowder on stand-by.  What's your favorite soup, Milwaukie? |
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