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[moosehead]

[tob55]

moosehead, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Perhaps when you have been teaching for 28+ years as a trained educator, and seen the things I have seen, and been in the situations I have personally been involved in, then and only then will you understand why I said what I did. It isn't being cowardly or arrogant to stay out of situations that are none of my concern. As I mentioned, if you would have taken time to look, I don't condone the use of corporal punishment for any reason, especially when it commonly crosses over to violence, in which cases I have intervened by getting a Korean teacher to come in and handle the situation.

There are much better ways to discipline than picking up the first thing you can find and flinging it at a student, or choosing to break their arm, as I saw one teacher do. There are many instances in which I was observer to the methods of discipline taking place in the Korean classroom, and honestly, I disapproved of them all, because I am a decent and professional person who places high value on dignity and doing the right thing. You falsely assume that I am arrogant and a coward, just because I choose to take a different route than you. What works for you may be fine in your world, but in the vast majority of classrooms across Korea it doesn't, and that has been proven as well.

You say yelling disapproval at the actions of a teacher will work, but commonly it doesn't work. I said don't intervene, i.e. put your hands on a Korean teacher to try and stop them. Go ahead, put your hands on one of the Korean teachers doing their thing, and find out who lands in jail. I promise you, it won't be the Korean teacher you are trying to stop. Secondly, the Korean teachers don't generally give you a passing thought. You don't exist in their world, so to stand about and yell your disapproval while they continue to injure or maim a student because you think that will work is foolishness. If you want to get something done then go get another Korean teacher or administrator who can and will do something about the situation.

You don't walk in my shoes, so don't ever put yourself in a superior position to me just because you think you have the answers to all the worlds problems. You don't live in my situation, so don't begin to assume you know what it is like to work and teach in my school. You don't know me, so don't go around placing character judgments on people just because you are veiled in anonymity through this forum. It speaks much more about you as a person than your attempt to berate someone's character by making the remarks you have.

[FUBAR]

[bogey666]

[R. S. Refugee]

[R. S. Refugee]

[bogey666]

[TECO]

[TECO]

I went to elementary school during the "corporal punishment" era and also remember reciting the Lord's prayer in the morning!

Anyhoooo.... Fck little Johnny! kick the little fuggers' asses if they deserve it. In the end they'll thank you for it. It might not be now or even a few years from now, but one day they will think to themselves or tell people, "Yeah, I was a real azzhole when I was younger and needed a good tuning."

Otherwise, they turn out to be sheit rats. Rats that behave poorly in society. You wonder about that guy that blows smoke in your face and doesn't care or the guy riding down the sidewalk on his motorcyle and aims right for pedestrians - they are the type I'm talking about. They were spoiled by mommy and daddy and were never taken out back behind the woodshed when they acted like azzholes, like they should have been.

there are too many pricks in these schools that are just begging for a shit kicking. I say if you got a teacher that's willing to put his/her ass on the line and dish it out, then hell yeah! give it to them.

The problem is, they aren't getting put in their place at home by mom and dad. Mom and dad are failing them and it's a tough call whether a teacher should step in. I wouldn't be comfortable with that role but like seeing other teachers who are willing to pick up the slack.

And sometimes we need to kill a chicken to scare the monkeys.

Get my drift?

[Typhoon]

There are better methods of discipline then hitting. Studies show it and all well trained teachers know this too. Teachers who are proactive should be able to avoid most behaviour problems. However, every now and then there are kids that are just down right bad. In those cases teachers should use the mechanisms that society has in place to deal with deviant behaviour. If kids are stealing $100s of dollars then call the cops and charge them with theft. If a kid hits a teacher kick them out of the school and let their parents figure out how to deal with the little arseholes. Using violence as a punishment teaches children to deal with their problems using violence which in turn causes a more violent society. It also fails to teach children the true consequences of their actions. I don't know about you, but I would rather live in a world where people are intelligent enought to talk through there problems instead of using fists to solve them. Teachers that hit students are part of the problem not part of the solution.

[moosehead]

[crusher_of_heads]

[NAVFC]

[Biblethumper]

[Draz]

The teachers don't have sticks at my school. The students regularly beat the crap out of each other though. Mostly everyone ignores it unless they are blocking the hall.