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F Series Visa holders - Recruiters - Free Ride = More Money

 
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: F Series Visa holders - Recruiters - Free Ride = More Money Reply with quote

I won't discuss the details of my income, but I will say that recruiters skim about 450K off of my back each week. I always take a month off, so that's 21.6M a year that should be going into my pocket that isn't.

I'm done with giving these recruiters a free ride!

Anybody else feel the pain?
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now all you have to do is organize your own classes.

Good luck.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Know what you mean Reply with quote

I know what you are feeling. The issue is big enough that someone should take up the torch, but doubtful anyone will. Everyone is too busy trying to make their own impression in the country. Not a slam to anyone, just that so many new things popping up these days with regard to people wanting to be the voice and reason for foreign teachers and professionals. Be a helper first and the rest will fall into place. That is what I am trying to do. So far my wife and I have been able to help several people find new jobs with no shallow promises. No money asked for, just willing to give people assistance to find a job where they wouldn't feel like they were getting screwed without so much as a thank you from people.

I may not earn a penny from anyone, but there are more important things in the picture like, truly wanting to help someone because you see what they do for Korea as a valued service to everyone. I feel bad those who work hard and have their earnings siphoned off by recruiters who have no conscience or sense of propriety. None of the jobs I found for people required a lot of my time, and in the end they were able to locate the position that helped them feel more comfortable with their stay. That's all I have to say about that. You're not alone Hammer.
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Netz



Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give them an ultimatum.

Hire me legally, or find someone else.

End of story.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:
Now all you have to do is organize your own classes.

Good luck.


Actually, a fair number of F-2 holders are.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, I've only got two classes through recruiters, but the thought that they are taking money out of my pocket steams me.

FWIW, try to organize your own classes. Avoid recruiters when possible and be patient.
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jbpatlanta



Joined: 02 Jun 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I understand this one. I started out using several recruiters to find jobs. I decided what hourly salary I was willing to work for and told them. If they can get more from the company then more power to them.

However, now I have only one job that I teach that I found through a company. They paid me what I asked for, so they were fair to me. If they get more from the company, that doesn't bother me.

All the rest of my jobs I have found on my own by doing my own footwork, going to companies and schools and giving them my resume and having my wife cold call companies and schools. So now I don't have to think about a recruiter.

If it bothers you that much, quit working for recruiters and get out and find your own classes. If you aren't willing to do the work to find your own classes, IMHO you should not complain about how much the recruiters keep.

Don't say you can't find the big money jobs. I've done it and know of others that have done the same. It is not that hard. Pick what salary you want to get and have your wife start calling companies. It might take a while, but you will find jobs.

Good luck Very Happy
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jiyull



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if I should just ask straight up...how much money they are taking from me or will they just be getting money from the govt/hakwon and nothing is being taken from my pay
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Company classes are around the 100,000 won range.
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the responses! Like I said, I'm done giving recruiters a free ride, and yes I am willing and able to find my own gigs.

How many of you have already gone down this path?
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At times like these, I think to myself...



What would Houdini do?
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
OneWayTraffic wrote:
Now all you have to do is organize your own classes.

Good luck.


Actually, a fair number of F-2 holders are.


If you live in a high-rise apartment complex, then its very easy.

Make a little A4 poster on your computer. Get your Korean spouse to put in the Hangeul and phone number. Print enough for each bulletin board of each building in your complex.

Most apartment associations will ask for a small fee to put up these advertisements for a week or so. They have to be stamped by the apartment office or the guards will promptly rip them off the board.

Wait for the phone calls to come in. It's best to insist on classes of 3-5 students. Most people will pay 20,000 per hour to be in a class. 90 min classes work well. If you can organize a Mon/Wed class of 4, and a Tue/Thur class of 4 then you can be earning very nicely, thank you.

The best thing is that you will either have NO travel time, if you do the class in your apartment, or, 1-2 minutes travel time if you have to walk to a neighboring building to teach.

Then, of course, you report your extra earnings to the tax office and pay whatever to LMB......... Laughing
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The Hammer



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another F2 Yard Bird plots his escape.

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