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Cohiba
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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 Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: No Degree? Can't Teach? No Problem...Now. |
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Academic Standards Easing for Foreign English Teachers
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/04/117_22068.html
Better shelve all those plans for your fancy TESL certificates and MAs.
Moreover, it would be good if you could get a refund on the last 2 years
of that expensive, erroneous degree you still haven't paid off. haha
However, you'll have to live in Mokpo.  OK, back to school  |
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WoBW
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: HBC
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, what does a degree unrelated to teaching English prove anyway? The best ESL teacher I ever saw was an ex-soldier who didn't even finish a basic high-school level of education. But wow he got those students talking. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Did anyone read the article? They are talking about maybe lowering the requirements so that people with 2 year university degrees can also get E2s.
That and hiring people from countries where English is at least one of the official languages. Meaning hello Filipinos! |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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The "no degree" thing lets people volunteer. They get housing and airfare, but no income. Talk about a boom in teachers offering illegal private lessons!
This won't affect us Western degree holders, especially ones with experience or higher education. Koreans still want to speak Western English, not Filipino English. And if you live in a big city, this really won't affect you.
If this gives poor Koreans out in the sticks that never could afford a hogwan the chance to learn English, even from a non-Westerner, I say go for it. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
The "no degree" thing lets people volunteer. They get housing and airfare, but no income. Talk about a boom in teachers offering illegal private lessons!
This won't affect us Western degree holders, especially ones with experience or higher education. Koreans still want to speak Western English, not Filipino English. And if you live in a big city, this really won't affect you.
If this gives poor Koreans out in the sticks that never could afford a hogwan the chance to learn English, even from a non-Westerner, I say go for it. |
Your final point is a good one. And I agree with the others. Yeah.
Mrs Kim: My daughter is being taught English by a Canadian with a degree from the UBC.
Mrs. Park: My daughter is ummm.... well... a couple filipinos... and ummmm oh my kimchi is burning... be right back. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| *beep* dropping the requirements - if you want qualified teachers pay them what you need to in order get them to go to the country schools. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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They mentioned that "Currently, the jobs are only open to those with bachelor degrees at four-year universities".
I'm a bit confused because I studied in England, where it is 3 years for a degree. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Give them the hagwons. Require a degree w/ hagwon experience for public school work and an MA for university work. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
They mentioned that "Currently, the jobs are only open to those with bachelor degrees at four-year universities".
I'm a bit confused because I studied in England, where it is 3 years for a degree. |
This is usually recognized as a 4-year degree in Korea (there is something about this in the FAQ). |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| *beep* dropping the requirements - if you want qualified teachers pay them what you need to in order get them to go to the country schools. |
I agree completely. Dropping the requirements is the last thing they should be doing.
It's not ALL about pay, either. They need to look at other conditions as well: housing and vacation are important components of the job too. I worked in the country and was made to go to the county Board of Educ after school until 6pm, because when it suited them, they classed me as a 'civil servant'. Of course when I was at school I was a 'teacher' and had to do all the required hours accordingly. And when vacation rolled around they must 'follow the contract' which was 7 days.
Complete crap.
And they wonder why people don't renew ...  |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| xtchr wrote: |
| SuperHero wrote: |
| *beep* dropping the requirements - if you want qualified teachers pay them what you need to in order get them to go to the country schools. |
I agree completely. Dropping the requirements is the last thing they should be doing.
It's not ALL about pay, either. They need to look at other conditions as well: housing and vacation are important components of the job too. I worked in the country and was made to go to the county Board of Educ after school until 6pm, because when it suited them, they classed me as a 'civil servant'. Of course when I was at school I was a 'teacher' and had to do all the required hours accordingly. And when vacation rolled around they must 'follow the contract' which was 7 days.
Complete crap.
And they wonder why people don't renew ... |
Exactly...if Hagwons offered 4 weeks vacation at the same pay even, people would indeed go teach down in Mokpo. They just gotta learn how to sweeten the pot. The smart hawons already do, but usually by lightening the workload hours. I would personally jump at a job offering higher hours and a solid 4 weeks vacation, but that's just my preference. Seems the Hagwon Associations prevent this though in large part. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Also, as long as they must get background checks, drug tests, AIDS tests, consulate interviews and apostiles, I say invite them. No one is going to go through all that crap to teach for free and only getting airfare and housing. |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| Public school jobs would be so much attractive if they limited the camps to two weeks a vacation and let as go about our merry way for the rest of the time. Would not cost them any more money and everyone would be more likely to re-sign etc. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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I like the idea of more Filipinos and Indians coming here.
Korea desperately needs more immigration to give the place more color. |
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zizi
Joined: 01 Dec 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
I like the idea of more Filipinos and Indians coming here.
Korea desperately needs more immigration to give the place more color. |
This is off-topic, but I have to agree! I just taught a lesson today involving Will Smith and I taught the students the term African American, and then to top it off I taught them African Korean. It may not be a term yet, but it beats some of the terms they were currently using. |
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