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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:23 am Post subject: Just Say No |
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| howie2424 wrote: |
| Slightly off topic but can someone help me out on this. I keep reading these threads about the cops testing people for drugs which, presumably means you submit a urine sample. What prevents people from simply refusing to give one the same way someone might refuse to give a roadside breath sample back home? Anybody know? |
Some of the teachers here have talked to a lawyer and were told that the test is voluntary and you have the right to refuse.
so... even if you are clean, you should tell the cops to piss off! |
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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| ersatzprofessor wrote: |
| In Suncheon you say? Well, all I can say is that I'm glad I haven't been home for a visit for a long time. Was it at Elvis's that they did this mass piss test? Where did these guys teach? |
Ahhh.... you must have spent time in Suncheon. Yes... Elvis was the spot. Im not sure what schools they were teaching at. |
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duanemyhre
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| jpal75 wrote: |
| Wondering what's the latest with the Sunchon guys? |
Well... I heard that they are not taking it very well. No big surprise right?!
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| duanemyhre wrote: |
| jpal75 wrote: |
| Wondering what's the latest with the Sunchon guys? |
Well... I heard that they are not taking it very well. There are no showers in the jail they are in, so they haven�t bathed in a week and there are also no beds. They have to sleep on the floor with a blanket.
Tomorrow I will pay them a visit and take them some warm clothes. I will also try to bring them some good food. I guess the stuff their getting is real crap. No big surprise right?! |
Could be worse, if they were in Singapore, they would be looking at death. I'd rather take a crap cell for a month, then a nice cell for 6 months, then a bullet in the head. |
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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| tokki wrote: |
At least Korea isnt a crime infested crap hole like Italy. |
OK..
I�m not trying to bash anyone�s statement. I just thought I might enlighten many of you on what is likely a more accurate picture of crime statistics in Korea.
I don�t know about Korea in great detail, but I�m sure that things like this are very similar to the way they are in Japan.
Remember� saving face takes precedence over everything else. This only takes most people a few weeks to figure out.
Everything is severely edited before it is put in front of the publics eye. Especially in front of the world!
Example� My motorcycle was stolen where I lived in Japan. This was a town with 4500 people. The local police would not take a report. The reason was because if they had a report for a crime and no report for an arrest, it would look bad on that policeman�s record. I tried to report this officer to his superiors. I was told that the police officer has complete discretion in this matter and no-one could (or would) direct him to do otherwise. After complaining to city hall and even talking to the mayor (his wife was my sado teacher) I learned that this is typical Japanese culture. My other Japanese friends also confirmed this and I learned that one of my Japanese friends had three scooters taken from him in one year. Most of the crime is never reported in Japan and even if it is, it�s not written in an actual police report unless they know who the crime was committed by AND they feel that action is justified.
Im sure that violent crime is not as high in Korea as it is in many other countries, but I would be very skeptical about believing any statistics. Not just crime, I would be skeptical with all the stats. They seem to be masters of sweeping dirt under the carpet.
Just my 2 cents |
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rudyflyer
Joined: 26 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| returned with a bump after some cleaning up |
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posco's trumpet
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duanemyhre
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| duanemyhre wrote: |
Im sure that violent crime is not as high in Korea as it is in many other countries, but I would be very skeptical about believing any statistics. Not just crime, I would be skeptical with all the stats. They seem to be masters of sweeping dirt under the carpet.
Just my 2 cents |
Ten types of underreported crimes in Korea:
1. assault
2. sexual assault
3. harassment
4. sexual harassment
5. bribery
6. extortion
7. loansharking
8. fraud
9. fraud
10. fraud
...and of course, misdemeanors involving being a public nuisance, drunkeness, littering, speeding, parking violations, etc. |
I�m sure you meant to add
petty theft
theft
rape
and domestic abuse. Actually, for cultural reasons, domestic abuse is not even considered a crime.   |
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matko
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I agree with you guys. Many crimes do not get reported in Korea and other Asian countries.
I was assaulted in Japan by 4 guys. The police caught them. An intermediary was brought in to negotiate a cash settlement. I got the money, they were not charged and no record of the assault was ever recorded.
Story from Korea. A female co-worker was sexually assaulted by the tv cable installer. My boss calls the guy to come into our work. All the foreign teachers were asked to join in a meeting with the guy. Our boss orders the guy to get on his knees. He does. Our boss punches him twice in the head and stomps on the guys thighs. By this point the tv guy is balling his eyes out. Our boss then tells each of the male foreign teachers to take our shots to defend the defilement that was inflicted upon our co worker. We refuse and ask the boss to call the police instead. He refuses. He says that the police will do nothing. He then calls the guys work and explains what happened. The guy was fired and forced to move his family to a different city.
Korean justice.
But, no record. |
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posco's trumpet
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Mr. Kalgukshi
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Location: Here or on the International Job Forums
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:31 pm Post subject: Abuse |
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| duanemyhre wrote: |
| posco's trumpet wrote: |
| duanemyhre wrote: |
Im sure that violent crime is not as high in Korea as it is in many other countries, but I would be very skeptical about believing any statistics. Not just crime, I would be skeptical with all the stats. They seem to be masters of sweeping dirt under the carpet.
Just my 2 cents |
Ten types of underreported crimes in Korea:
1. assault
2. sexual assault
3. harassment
4. sexual harassment
5. bribery
6. extortion
7. loansharking
8. fraud
9. fraud
10. fraud
...and of course, misdemeanors involving being a public nuisance, drunkeness, littering, speeding, parking violations, etc. |
I’m sure you meant to add
petty theft
theft
rape
and domestic abuse. Actually, for cultural reasons, domestic abuse is not even considered a crime. |
Mr. Kalgukshi now writes: Not true. The law was changed several years ago to include domestic abuse. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| matko wrote: |
I agree with you guys. Many crimes do not get reported in Korea and other Asian countries.
I was assaulted in Japan by 4 guys. The police caught them. An intermediary was brought in to negotiate a cash settlement. I got the money, they were not charged and no record of the assault was ever recorded.
Story from Korea. A female co-worker was sexually assaulted by the tv cable installer. My boss calls the guy to come into our work. All the foreign teachers were asked to join in a meeting with the guy. Our boss orders the guy to get on his knees. He does. Our boss punches him twice in the head and stomps on the guys thighs. By this point the tv guy is balling his eyes out. Our boss then tells each of the male foreign teachers to take our shots to defend the defilement that was inflicted upon our co worker. We refuse and ask the boss to call the police instead. He refuses. He says that the police will do nothing. He then calls the guys work and explains what happened. The guy was fired and forced to move his family to a different city.
Korean justice.
But, no record. |
I wonder why you didnt take a shot at him. |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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I wanted to but was so shocked at the situation I couldn't. The guy was balling and my instincts were to have the police take care of the guy. I had been living in Korea for only a few months at the time and didn't know how things worked.
It was really bizarre.
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jpal75
Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: NeverNeverLand
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: Abuse |
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Mr. Kalgukshi now writes: Not true. The law was changed several years ago to include domestic abuse.[/quote]
Even if the law was changed not everybody seems to follow or apply it.
Last week my Korean co-worker tells me that he 'hit' his wife for not taking his joke lightly. He told his child to call his mother 'stupid'. He 'slapped' her on the face then she cried so she belted her to shut her up.
2nd case, a couple of months ago. Female co-worker of a friend shows up with a black eye, asked her what happened, she explains with a smile that her husband was drunk and 'accidentaly' punched her...She still went to work. The rest of the workmates just smiled and carried on...
Saving face. That's what's important here. |
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jpal75
Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Location: NeverNeverLand
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Just Say No |
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| duanemyhre wrote: |
| howie2424 wrote: |
| Slightly off topic but can someone help me out on this. I keep reading these threads about the cops testing people for drugs which, presumably means you submit a urine sample. What prevents people from simply refusing to give one the same way someone might refuse to give a roadside breath sample back home? Anybody know? |
Some of the teachers here have talked to a lawyer and were told that the test is voluntary and you have the right to refuse.
so... even if you are clean, you should tell the cops to piss off! |
I'm wondering how they tested the folks at Elvis? Were the results revealed straight away? How long have they been monitoring the crowd at Elvis? Sorry for my insatiable curiosity... |
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