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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:56 pm Post subject: Advice from a laywer |
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http://brendon.typepad.com/goldbrick/2003/12/consumer_law_re.html
An interesting read. And a very nice blog.
(But I say come....   )
Here is a sample:
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| To the future English teachers coming to Korea, free legal advice: DON'T COME HERE! Although Korean law is generally pretty good about settling disputes about property rights and other things of concern to a business owner, the systems here are not too good with individual rights. Nobody at the enforcement institutions speaks English or gives a damn about you. And, I've already noted as a general rule this is not a law-abiding country. Further, many owners of English-teaching institutes are among the worst possible employers you'll ever meet in your entire life. So when you wave your contract around and insist on getting what you're promised, you just prove you're a sucker |
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Austin
Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: In the kitchen
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:14 pm Post subject: Be serious... |
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No news is good news!
Many people do just fine in Korea.
I am sure that there may be a few employers that willfully misrepresent the facts about their school, but there are sure to be more teachers that willfully misrepresent their qualifications and experience.
To black-list or make a blanket statement about any country or program is plain ignorant, as it fails to consider the one element that makes all of the difference, the individual.
From the employer to the employee, people may feel they have been shafted, but emotions and bitterness do not tell the "true" story.
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, I think I know that lawyer... Sean Hayes.
To the other Dave's Poster: Lawyer Todd... is that the same guy from that club we occassionally attend? |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Beneath the Underdog
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Be serious... |
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Austin
Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: In the kitchen
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:22 pm Post subject: No rock... |
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Posco,
I am not under any rock.
As always, I was writing from my personal experience since first arriving in Korea back in 1995.
Most of the "reflections" that are posted here by other users are based on their personal experiences, my posts are not much different. Therefore, I invite you to ignore everything that I write, as I am not about to venture into the business of justifying my personal experiences and anecdotal evidence. They are what they are, nothing more, nothing less.
If it comforts you to believe that all Koreans are "bad" and all foreigners are "good," you are welcome to continue. I would hate to turn your fragile "world" upside down.
What I post is neither a guess, nor a fact. It is what I see, believe, know, and accept.
I would hate to disrupt your "understanding" of Korea, so the next time you see my name, just skip the post.
Sleep well.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't sound like a lawyer. Sounds like another spoiled white kid who couldn't hack it in the West and came over as a teacher only to realize he couldn't hack it here either. Come on! Would a real lawyer advise his client "to take a dump on the employer's desk"? |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Beneath the Underdog
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:54 am Post subject: Re: No rock... |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Doesn't sound like a lawyer. |
He is a lawyer, check out his blog in total you will get a better feel for where he is coming from. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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BERLITZ
BERLITZ teachers have taken BERLITZ to the Labour Board for BERLITZ's refusal to pay severance in accordance with Korean Labour Law.
The teachers received a judgement in their favour.
However, BERLITZ refuses to pay.
As per Brendan's comments - the Labour Board refuses to "Enforce" their decisions.
So, even if the Labour Board awards you a judgement and then the school decides not to comply, the end result is a whole lot of nothing.
Looks to me like the Korean Government isn't interested in policing the English school businesses for some reason.
And like Brendan said, you gotta wonder why because you'd think it would be a hudge PR mistake for them to have so many foreign English teachers getting ripped off all the time. |
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busan_boy2000
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:46 am Post subject: |
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I didn't get past the Prisoner of Wonderland link - now that is a good blog.
Props. |
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Austin
Joined: 23 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:19 pm Post subject: Sure... |
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Posco,
Why do you assume so much?
Would any person ever claim that your experience was "more" or "less" valid?
Your experience is just different from mine, and I am thankful for that.
You are free to "interpret" other posters' threads any way you like!
Just because something is "really" for me, does not mean that it will be so for you. Therefore, the experience may only be "self-evident" to the individual.
Again, you assume too much.
My truth is not your "truth." Besides, my post said nothing about any universal truths, and that is why I put it in quotes (it means different things to different people).
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| If you don't have the truth, don't claim it. |
Here is a refresher for you:
Many people do just fine in Korea.
I am sure that there may be a few employers that willfully misrepresent the facts about their school, but there are sure to be more teachers that willfully misrepresent their qualifications and experience.
To black-list or make a blanket statement about any country or program is plain ignorant, as it fails to consider the one element that makes all of the difference, the individual.
From the employer to the employee, people may feel they have been shafted, but emotions and bitterness do not tell the "true" story.
There was no claim of an absolute truth in my post, so where would you get that idea?
You are welcome to build your values from other people's experiences, but I prefer to develop them from my own.
Why you view that as weak, is quite amusing.
Again, you are welcome to go through this life using any lens of experience you wish, whether it be your own or not. Why would I want to "set you straight at every opportunity?"
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Brendan's been a lawyer in Seoul for some time now. Once upon a time he tried to start up free legal-info 'know-your-rights' sessions for English teachers in Korea, but I don't think it ever got off the ground. |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| busan_boy2000 wrote: |
I didn't get past the Prisoner of Wonderland link - now that is a good blog.
Props. |
It's a classic. Not that those two women didn't make some serious mistakes of their own too, though - like not doing enough (or any) research on the school before flying halfway around the world. There are plenty of people out there who would have filled them in on that school. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| weatherman wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Doesn't sound like a lawyer. |
He is a lawyer, check out his blog in total you will get a better feel for where he is coming from. |
Maybe it's because I've lived in Korea for so long, but I am a "low-trust" person How do we know he is a lawyer, other than his say-so? Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he IS lying, just asking for some definitive proof. After all I could put up a website, run a blog or two and claim I am a lawyer...or recruiter. It's been done before.
Bottom line, if you claim you are a lawyer and you want to "help" other foreigners in Korea, then you should not be angered when people question your qualifications...unless you have something to hide. To dismiss a valid question as a "knowit-all poster" may be witty, but doesn't prove that this person is any more qualified than myself to dispense legal advice. If I were in need of legal advice (which I am not), I would want a "real lawyer" and I should hope that I get better advice then "take a dump on his desk". |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| weatherman wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Doesn't sound like a lawyer. |
He is a lawyer, check out his blog in total you will get a better feel for where he is coming from. |
Maybe it's because I've lived in Korea for so long, but I am a "low-trust" person How do we know he is a lawyer, other than his say-so? Don't get me wrong, I am not saying he IS lying, just asking for some definitive proof. After all I could put up a website, run a blog or two and claim I am a lawyer...or recruiter. It's been done before. |
Well, you don't know me, but I've known him for years and can vouch that he is an attorney, as did Bulsajo.
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| Bottom line, if you claim you are a lawyer and you want to "help" other foreigners in Korea, then you should not be angered when people question your qualifications...unless you have something to hide. To dismiss a valid question as a "knowit-all poster" may be witty, but doesn't prove that this person is any more qualified than myself to dispense legal advice. If I were in need of legal advice (which I am not), I would want a "real lawyer" and I should hope that I get better advice then "take a dump on his desk". |
There are currently no non-Koreans licensed to practice law in Korea. |
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