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wannago
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 Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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It seems as though China took over the dubious title of world's biggest polluter a year or two ago. With the US economy sagging and the Chinese economy booming, will the environmentalists start putting pressure on the Chinese to clean up?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm |
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blade
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: Re: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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| wannago wrote: |
It seems as though China took over the dubious title of world's biggest polluter a year or two ago. With the US economy sagging and the Chinese economy booming, will the environmentalists start putting pressure on the Chinese to clean up?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm |
I see, China has a population of well over about 1.3 billion people against the US's population of about 300 million and you think it's wrong that the Chinese should somehow pollute more than the USA?
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pugwall
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Even the UN said it wasn't fair to put USa and China in the same boat as China is a developing country trying to take people out of poverty. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| It's my impression the environmentalists put pressure on everyone to clean up their act. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| pugwall wrote: |
| Even the UN said it wasn't fair to put USa and China in the same boat as China is a developing country trying to take people out of poverty. |
Well, well....so, its not about the amount of pollutants put in the air, its just about the eeeevil US. Nice. Now I see why the US didn't sign that worthless Kyoto Treaty. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| pugwall wrote: |
| Even the UN said it wasn't fair to put USa and China in the same boat as China is a developing country trying to take people out of poverty. |
Well, well....so, its not about the amount of pollutants put in the air, its just about the eeeevil US. Nice. Now I see why the US didn't sign that worthless Kyoto Treaty. |
Who said anything about anything how evil the US is? |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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The Chinese - and the UN - insist that rich countries with high per capita levels of pollution must cut emissions first, and help poorer countries to invest in clean technology.
America's per capita emissions are five to six times higher than China's, even though China has become the top manufacturing economy.
US emissions are still growing too, though much more slowly.
Dr Auffhammer told BBC News that his projections had made an assumption that the Chinese government's recent aggressive energy efficiency programme would fail, as the previous one had failed badly.
"Our figures for emissions growth are truly shocking," he said.
"But there is no sense pointing a finger at the Chinese. They are trying to pull people out of poverty and they clearly need help.
"The only solution is for a massive transfer of technology and wealth from the West."
Sounds like common sense. Who said that the US was evil?? |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| It's my impression the environmentalists put pressure on everyone to clean up their act. |
The Chinese environmentalists are putting pressure for cleanup efforts in their country. I think there was a thread on it here a few months ago, but search isn't working for me.
I know the Koreans aren't too fond of what's in the Yellow Dust, so they've been making efforts to plant trees in the dust-producing region. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| And who said anything about right or wrong...besides you? |
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pugwall
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| And who said anything about right or wrong...besides you? |
say what? |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| pugwall wrote: |
| "But there is no sense pointing a finger at the Chinese. They are trying to pull people out of poverty and they clearly need help. |
Well, God bless the Chinese! They're only trying to pull people out of poverty! 
| pugwall wrote: |
| "The only solution is for a massive transfer of technology and wealth from the West." |
Of course....those innocent Chinese only need the West's help and soon they will be out of Third World status. |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| pugwall wrote: |
| "But there is no sense pointing a finger at the Chinese. They are trying to pull people out of poverty and they clearly need help. |
Well, God bless the Chinese! They're only trying to pull people out of poverty!
| pugwall wrote: |
| "The only solution is for a massive transfer of technology and wealth from the West." |
Of course....those innocent Chinese only need the West's help and soon they will be out of Third World status. |
Sorry, thats the article you started this thread about. |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| pugwall wrote: |
| "But there is no sense pointing a finger at the Chinese. They are trying to pull people out of poverty and they clearly need help. |
Well, God bless the Chinese! They're only trying to pull people out of poverty!
| pugwall wrote: |
| "The only solution is for a massive transfer of technology and wealth from the West." |
Of course....those innocent Chinese only need the West's help and soon they will be out of Third World status. |
Sorry, thats the article you started this thread about. |
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mithridates
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| China and India often bring up the point that a great deal of companies from Europe, the US and elsewhere will shift manufacturing overseas to countries like China, and then the emissions count as coming from there. Then the western companies get to pretend that they're cleaner than clean because only the head offices are located there and those don't pollute. I don't know if there are alternate stats that take that into account. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: Re: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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| wannago wrote: |
It seems as though China took over the dubious title of world's biggest polluter a year or two ago. With the US economy sagging and the Chinese economy booming, will the environmentalists start putting pressure on the Chinese to clean up?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm |
A reduction in pollution may not be largely blamed on economic output. American manufacturing gains efficiencies all the time. Pollution is, by definition, waste. Old industries might have pollution grandfather clauses and can keep emitting. As they're replaced, new industries have to meet the new code. |
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