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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Can't Decide |
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So, I'm trying to decide between two jobs I have been offered, and I'm hoping that you all who have more experience with this might be able to help. Here are the rough details:
Position 1
Public High School in a rural location, 1hr outside Seoul.
Salary 2.1 + 100,000 monthly rural allowance
300,000 Settlement allowance
22 Classes/week, overtime is 20,000 and available
4 weeks vacation
Working hours: 8:30-4:30
(+ normal stuff like severance, airfare, housing, etc)
1 Year Contract with GEPIK
Position 2
Hagwon in Daegu
Elementary and Middle School Students
Salary 2.2
30 classes/week, overtime is 20,000 and available
1 week vacation
Working hours: 2:30-8:30
(+ one way ticket, half severance, housing, etc)
6 month contract, renewable to 1 year.
Now, normally I'd just jump right at the public school (seems like a no-brainer), but I am unable to email with any of the teachers currently at that school. I was looking for 6 month contracts initially as a way out if things sucked, but are public schools generally a good enough bet than it's better to choose a year commitment to one of them than a 6 month at a hagwon?
For what it's worth, I've worked with both age groups before, though not in Korea. I also have TESOL certification and have experience with lesson plan creation, etc. Also, the rural location of the public school is not a problem for me.
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Have you taught in Korea before? If not a good hagwon might be a better introduction, though if you have no way of knowing whether it's good and are going in blind the PS would be a much safe option. You might also want to consider what ages you work better with. Contrary to what many Koreans think, you can't just stick any white person in all kinds of classrooms and expect the same results. Mid- to late teens learn in very different ways from elementary-aged students.
If you can get a six-month contract you know you can terminate at six months, and have never taught in Korea before, I'd suggest going with that. Six months to learn the ropes at a bad institute is tolerable. A year at a bone fide crapwon is just too long. |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Have you taught in Korea before? If not a good hagwon might be a better introduction, though if you have no way of knowing whether it's good and are going in blind the PS would be a much safe option. You might also want to consider what ages you work better with. Contrary to what many Koreans think, you can't just stick any white person in all kinds of classrooms and expect the same results. Mid- to late teens learn in very different ways from elementary-aged students.
If you can get a six-month contract you know you can terminate at six months, and have never taught in Korea before, I'd suggest going with that. Six months to learn the ropes at a bad institute is tolerable. A year at a bone fide crapwon is just too long. |
I've taught both high schoolers and middle schoolers in the past (though not in Korea), and I do about equally well with each. Out of curiosity, why do you suggest a hagwon for a newbie? That seems an uncommon opinion. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Location: KC
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| driftingfocus wrote: |
| Out of curiosity, why do you suggest a hagwon for a newbie? That seems an uncommon opinion. |
Probably because learning to teach in a hagwon with a class of about 10 is much easier than in a PS with 30 or more students per class.
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| kprrok wrote: |
| driftingfocus wrote: |
| Out of curiosity, why do you suggest a hagwon for a newbie? That seems an uncommon opinion. |
Probably because learning to teach in a hagwon with a class of about 10 is much easier than in a PS with 30 or more students per class.
KPRROK |
Buuuut...I already know how to teach. I've taught both ESL (though for a very limited time - only a few months) to older students and history to middle school students, before. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| driftingfocus wrote: |
| kprrok wrote: |
| driftingfocus wrote: |
| Out of curiosity, why do you suggest a hagwon for a newbie? That seems an uncommon opinion. |
Probably because learning to teach in a hagwon with a class of about 10 is much easier than in a PS with 30 or more students per class.
KPRROK |
Buuuut...I already know how to teach. I've taught both ESL (though for a very limited time - only a few months) to older students and history to middle school students, before. |
Well, the skills you've already acquired may or may not have adequately prepared you to be a mostly suplemental teacher in a highly L1 environment to classes of up to 45 who have mostly only been exposed to explicit, teacher-centred learning methods. But even if they have, there are a lot of cultural factors that you may have wished you knew before you started at a PS.
I also speak a bit from personal experience. I had half a year experience at a crap hagwon before I started my PS job, and it was the best training I possibly could have received (though still inadequate in a number of respects). |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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The 6-month thing seems suspect. But the hours rock. Much better than the public school's. I'd think you'd want a year contract with the regulations being as they are.
Like a previous poster said, teaching 10 or less students is a much better situation than 30 plus.
But like you said, you're not able to check the hagwon out.
Working at a hagwon is less stressful if you're getting paid. 30 hours/wk is fine. But your public has 4 weeks of vacation. Whether you actually get that or not is a good question.
Both salaries are pretty low. |
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driftingfocus

Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
The 6-month thing seems suspect. But the hours rock. Much better than the public school's. I'd think you'd want a year contract with the regulations being as they are.
Like a previous poster said, teaching 10 or less students is a much better situation than 30 plus.
But like you said, you're not able to check the hagwon out.
Working at a hagwon is less stressful if you're getting paid. 30 hours/wk is fine. But your public has 4 weeks of vacation. Whether you actually get that or not is a good question.
Both salaries are pretty low. |
What is the difference in work between a hagwon and a PS? I have yet to ever quite figure that one out. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| driftingfocus wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
The 6-month thing seems suspect. But the hours rock. Much better than the public school's. I'd think you'd want a year contract with the regulations being as they are.
Like a previous poster said, teaching 10 or less students is a much better situation than 30 plus.
But like you said, you're not able to check the hagwon out.
Working at a hagwon is less stressful if you're getting paid. 30 hours/wk is fine. But your public has 4 weeks of vacation. Whether you actually get that or not is a good question.
Both salaries are pretty low. |
What is the difference in work between a hagwon and a PS? I have yet to ever quite figure that one out. | | | |