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Hater Depot
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| What??????? You mean Bush made that shit up? Well, I for one am now ready to leave Iraq, I thought we were trying to win over their hearts and minds over there. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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"GIVE ME BACK MY FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!"
Oh, sorry, got my wires crossed between Braveheart and Ransom. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Americans are always shocked to discover that the rest of the world doesn't actually want to be "liberated" by us. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Bush was wrong when he said Al Qaeda attacked the US cause they hate our freedoms.
but the anti war movement is every bit as clueless.
Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate.
The Bathists , and the Khomeni followers fight to control or conquer the mideast.
Anyone ever notice that the mideast street never said anything when Saddam gassed MUSLIM kurds, and nothing was said when Haffaz Assad destroyed the city of Hama killing 20,000 in 2 weeks? Where were the protests when Khomeni's fatwa killed 30,000 Iranians in 1988 alone? Bin Laden killed muslims lots of them in Afghanistan. What religion was the Northern alliance?
Here is left wing writer Robert Fisk who I don't agree with but he is correct here.
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| As usual in the Arab world, everyone knew what was happening and no one said a thing. The British and American pilots flying the pointless southern "no-fly" zone � allegedly to protect Iraq's minorities � could clearly see the receding waters of the Marsh. The Arab regimes remained silent. Neither Mubarak nor Arafat nor Assad nor Fahd uttered the mildest word of criticism, any more than they did when the Kurds were gassed. |
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0519-02.htm
Here is what Bin Laden complains about.
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| One of the theses of his most recent book, Imperial Hubris, a New York Times bestseller, was that from bin Laden's perspective, the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 and will continue to be attacked because of a number of grievances against the U.S. and other western countries. These grievances include: U.S. support of Israel and its indifference to the Palestinians, presence of U.S. and western troops on the Arabian Peninsula, occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan by the U.S. and its allies, the U.S. support of countries that oppress Muslims (such as Russia, India and China), U.S. political pressure on Arab states to keep oil prices low and U.S. support for tyrannical governments. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer
The US is in Afghanistan why?
Does the US support Russia India or China's oppression of muslims?
US support for Tyranical mideast governments?
what does that supposed to mean? Besides All mideast governments are tyranical. Half of them are hostile to the US.
Are oil prices low?
Wait till the day that Bin Laden claims that alternative energy is a plot by the west.
The real reason for terror is that mideast regimes and elties teach hate and incite violence as a political and military tactic.
In the 1990s 70,000 trained in Al Qaeda /Jihad camps in Afghanistan.
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Al-Qaeda camps 'trained 70,000'
Thousands are said to have joined al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan
Some 70,000 people received weapons training and religious instruction in al-Qaeda camps, German police say.
The claim came at the retrial of Mounir al-Motassadek, a Moroccan man accused of involvement in the 9/11 attacks, which were partly planned in Germany.
A German police officer told the court recruits at the camps were taught they had a duty to kill US citizens. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4146969.stm
This is while the US was protecting muslims in Kurdistan from Saddam Muslims in Kosovo from Slobidan and while the US was trying to help muslims in Somalia. This was also while the US was trying to bring the Israeli and Palestinian side together.
Arafat turned down Bill Clintons offer. I am only not talking about August 2000 I'm talking about December 2000 as well.
Here is the problem :
The Bathists , the Khomeni followers and the Al Qaedists are out to get the US. Let them give up their war.
Case closed. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: ... |
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| Anyone ever notice that the mideast street never said anything when Saddam gassed MUSLIM kurds, and nothing was said when Haffaz Assad destroyed the city of Hama killing 20,000 in 2 weeks? Where were the protests when Khomeni's fatwa killed 30,000 Iranians in 1988 alone? |
What did China say about the gassing of the Kurds? What did Brazil say? Did the US mention in their coverage that they were providing Saddam with chemical agents to gas people?
In the pre-Internet age of 1988, I'm not sure how you're so sure other Arabs didn't condemn such attacks.
We do have Arab allies. They're not all Khomeini lovers and dreaming of a Caliphate.
Your cookie-cutter treatment of the Middle East alienates both allies and people who are on the fence.
You accuse people of wanting the US to lose while you openly appear to be saying that you want Arabs to lose.
Saying that the US invaded Iraq to send a message to the Saudis suggests that the US might, at any point, further attack the Middle east to send a further message.
Is there any parameter to determine whether the Saudis "got the message"?
What was the message again? I think it was: We don't need you to have bases in the Middle East.
I, personally, don't think that it should be a US goal to have bases in the Middle East.
I don't want China to have bases there, so I don't think it should be a US goal to have bases there. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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[quote="Nowhere Man"]
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| Anyone ever notice that the mideast street never said anything when Saddam gassed MUSLIM kurds, and nothing was said when Haffaz Assad destroyed the city of Hama killing 20,000 in 2 weeks? Where were the protests when Khomeni's fatwa killed 30,000 Iranians in 1988 alone? |
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| What did China say about the gassing of the Kurds? What did Brazil say? Did the US mention in their coverage that they were providing Saddam with chemical agents to gas people? |
But the US is condemed in the mideast for its policies when far worse goes on for far more sinister reasons without comment.
In the 1980s Iran was out to get the US. Khomeni was a fascist bigot like Saddam.
The US also supported Stalin against Hitler
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| In the pre-Internet age of 1988, I'm not sure how you're so sure other Arabs didn't condemn such attacks. |
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| As usual in the Arab world, everyone knew what was happening and no one said a thing. The British and American pilots flying the pointless southern "no-fly" zone � allegedly to protect Iraq's minorities � could clearly see the receding waters of the Marsh. The Arab regimes remained silent. Neither Mubarak nor Arafat nor Assad nor Fahd uttered the mildest word of criticism, any more than they did when the Kurds were gassed. |
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0519-02.htm
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| We do have Arab allies. They're not all Khomeini lovers and dreaming of a Caliphate. |
Sure. but the reason for opinons of the US is cause mideast regimes and elites incite hate against the US.
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| Your cookie-cutter treatment of the Middle East alienates both allies and people who are on the fence. |
Well the fact is the regimes there are what they are and they say what they say.
Tell us about mideast regimes do you know of anyone that is not a police state?
If you have any questions:
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| Behind Algeria, on a score of 110.55, come North Korea, Burma, Indonesia, Libya, Colombia, Syria, Iraq, Yugoslavia and China. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and Nigeria follow closely. The United Kingdom comes 141st; a good score on a global basis but not so admirable when compared with other rich, industrialised countries - we are seventh out of 23. |
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It scores 10 out of 10 on denial of majority rights because of gassing the Kurds.
A country with a wretched record of human rights abuse could score a maximum total of 190. Saddam Hussein's Iraq proves the winner of the unmodified list - which measures human rights abuses outside of their economic context - with an unadjusted score of 155. |
http://www.algeria-watch.org/mrv/mrvrap/observe4.htm
Many of the very worst human rights abusers in the world are in the mideast.
It is not an arab thing but it is a political thing.
So what is your take on the regime of Saddam ? How about Khomeni? Khaddafy? Assad? The Taliban?
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| You accuse people of wanting the US to lose while you openly appear to be saying that you want Arabs to lose. |
It is not an
I don't want the arabs or muslims to lose. I want the anti US elements in the region to give up their war. I don't care about the religon or the nationality.
Why is it a bad thing if the Khomeni followers , the Al Qaedists and the Bathists lose anyway? What do they fight for?
In fact it is justice when Khoemeni followers , Al Qaedists and Bathists lose.
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| Saying that the US invaded Iraq to send a message to the Saudis suggests that the US might, at any point, further attack the Middle east to send a further message. |
Well if the regimes and elties stop inciting violence and teaching hate and allowing or even helpin terror groups then there won't be a problem.
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