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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Los Angeles Bans Bacon |
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Reason.tv, the Libertarian leaning web-news site, just did an expose on how absurd the Nanny state in California has become generally and LA in particular. Drew Carey (never knew he was a Libertarian  ) interviewed a hot dog vendor in downtown LA who was thrown in jail for 45 days for selling a bacon dog. This episode lead to 45 days lost from work, attorney fees and the lost opportunity of not being able to sell HER STAPLE PRODUCT! As Elizabeth Palacios explains
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Really, you ought to watch the video and listen to the low level bureaucrat at the Los Angeles LA county health dept. Listen to him talking about temperatures, PH levels and bacteria was enough to make me feel sorry for the people of LA; the guy had no clue. It would be rather hysterical if it weren't so serious. Just another case of how gov't can destroy an innocent person's livelihood. VIDEO LINK |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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nanny state that CA has become? Do you have any evidence that CA is any different than other states?
And FYI, I had a gutter dog (aka hotdog wrapped in bacon) in SF a month ago. Also, requiring a food vendor license is common throughout the US.
But yes, it is a bit silly that some LA County health official shut her stand down. |
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.naturalnews.com/007133.html
Bacon, sausage, hot dogs and processed meats hike cancer risk by 67% due to chemical preservative, says nutritionist
A chemical added to processed meat products is responsible for a 67% increased risk in pancreatic cancer, says author and nutritionist Mike Adams. The conclusions are based in part on research conducted at the University of Hawaii that reveals a 67% increased risk of pancreatic cancer in people who consume large quantities of hot dogs, sausage and other processed meats, versus those who consume little or no processed meat. The study was led by Dr. Ute Nothlings and was announced at the annual gathering of the American Association for Cancer Research.
While the study did not specifically name sodium nitrite as the cause of the heightened cancer risk, the huge spike in toxicity and cancer risk can only be explained by something added during meat processing, explains Mike Adams, author of "Grocery Warning," a manual that teaches consumers how to avoid foods that promote chronic disease.
"We've known for years that sodium nitrite consumption leads to leukemia in children and brain tumors in infants," explained Adams. "Now we have a large-scale study of nearly 200,000 people that provides solid evidence of the link between processed meats and pancreatic cancer." The ingredient also promotes colorectal cancer as it passes through the digestive tract.
If sodium nitrite is so dangerous, why do food producers continue using it? The chemical is added primarily as a color fixer that turns meats a reddish, fresh-looking color that appeals to consumers. Packaged meats like hot dogs would normally appear a putrid gray, but with enough sodium nitrite added, the meats can seem visually fresh even if they've been on the shelves for months.
"Food producers use sodium nitrite for marketing reasons," says Adams. "It makes their food products look visually appealing, even while that very same ingredient promotes cancer when consumed." The USDA once tried to ban sodium nitrite, but was unsuccessful due to political influence and lobbying efforts of meat processing companies.
Sodium nitrite is only one of several dangerous, disease-causing ingredients found in everyday foods and groceries, says Adams. In Grocery Warning, Adams teaches readers how to avoid dangerous foods and ingredients that promote diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's, depression, behavioral disorders, cancer and many other common diseases. "Today's food supply is toxic," says Adams. "And if we don't stop poisoning our population through everyday groceries, disease rates will continue to skyrocket."
Grocery Warning is a downloadable manual written for everyday consumers who want to make healthier choices for themselves and their families. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:25 am Post subject: |
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http://www.naturalnews.com/007133.html
Bacon, sausage, hot dogs and processed meats hike cancer risk by 67% due to chemical preservative, says nutritionist
A chemical added to processed meat products is responsible for a 67% increased risk in pancreatic cancer, says author and nutritionist Mike Adams. The conclusions are based in part on research conducted at the University of Hawaii that reveals a 67% increased risk of pancreatic cancer in people who consume large quantities of hot dogs, sausage and other processed meats, versus those who consume little or no processed meat. The study was led by Dr. Ute Nothlings and was announced at the annual gathering of the American Association for Cancer Research.
While the study did not specifically name sodium nitrite as the cause of the heightened cancer risk, the huge spike in toxicity and cancer risk can only be explained by something added during meat processing, explains Mike Adams, author of "Grocery Warning," a manual that teaches consumers how to avoid foods that promote chronic disease.
"We've known for years that sodium nitrite consumption leads to leukemia in children and brain tumors in infants," explained Adams. "Now we have a large-scale study of nearly 200,000 people that provides solid evidence of the link between processed meats and pancreatic cancer." The ingredient also promotes colorectal cancer as it passes through the digestive tract.
If sodium nitrite is so dangerous, why do food producers continue using it? The chemical is added primarily as a color fixer that turns meats a reddish, fresh-looking color that appeals to consumers. Packaged meats like hot dogs would normally appear a putrid gray, but with enough sodium nitrite added, the meats can seem visually fresh even if they've been on the shelves for months.
"Food producers use sodium nitrite for marketing reasons," says Adams. "It makes their food products look visually appealing, even while that very same ingredient promotes cancer when consumed." The USDA once tried to ban sodium nitrite, but was unsuccessful due to political influence and lobbying efforts of meat processing companies.
Sodium nitrite is only one of several dangerous, disease-causing ingredients found in everyday foods and groceries, says Adams. In Grocery Warning, Adams teaches readers how to avoid dangerous foods and ingredients that promote diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's, depression, behavioral disorders, cancer and many other common diseases. "Today's food supply is toxic," says Adams. "And if we don't stop poisoning our population through everyday groceries, disease rates will continue to skyrocket."
Grocery Warning is a downloadable manual written for everyday consumers who want to make healthier choices for themselves and their families. |
So why not prohibit nitrites instead of bacon?
Ice cream is bad for you, too. Its high cholesterol leads to hypertension, heart disease, arteriosclerosis, obesity, etc. Let's put people in jail for selling it.
LA's air is a cause of bronchitis, asthma, and other lung disease. Let's jail the people who breathe it. |
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murr
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Eating bacon is bad for the soul.... ban it, and do the world a favour. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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nanny state that CA has become? Do you have any evidence that CA is any different than other states?
And FYI, I had a gutter dog (aka hotdog wrapped in bacon) in SF a month ago. Also, requiring a food vendor license is common throughout the US.
But yes, it is a bit silly that some LA County health official shut her stand down. |
Well, California is known to be the most heavily taxed and most regulated state in the union; I don't know how you can deny that. Anyways, this was about a small business women whose life was ruined by some over-zealous low level bureaucrat at the health department. It didn't matter if it happened in LA California, Portland Maine, Clearwater Florida or wherever. I just wish the government would leave the people alone to work, produce and grow the economy. |
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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Sausage is good... Bacon is good....
Try some bacon-fried steak sometime. Baste the steak in grease, let it congeal, and toss it on the BBQ. The grease will go up in flames, and it adds a delicious flavor.
Just don't do this bi-weekly for an entire summer, unless you're willing to do some serious exersize in the fall  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
nanny state that CA has become? Do you have any evidence that CA is any different than other states?
And FYI, I had a gutter dog (aka hotdog wrapped in bacon) in SF a month ago. Also, requiring a food vendor license is common throughout the US.
But yes, it is a bit silly that some LA County health official shut her stand down. |
Well, California is known to be the most heavily taxed and most regulated state in the union; I don't know how you can deny that. Anyways, this was about a small business women whose life was ruined by some over-zealous low level bureaucrat at the health department. It didn't matter if it happened in LA California, Portland Maine, Clearwater Florida or wherever. I just wish the government would leave the people alone to work, produce and grow the economy. |
One scruple: you keep saying 'the government.'
But California, Florida, and Maine are three different governments. The incident you are talking about was a County affair. I mean, the beauty of the US is Federalism. California can regulate its economy as it wishes without enforcing its beliefs on Indiana. Wouldn't a consistent libertarian recognize the importance and desirability of a Federalist framework? IOW, outside of the obviously loathsome petty abuses of local bureaucrats, what skin is it off your back what California does? |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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I see no problem with this. This is no different than fining a restaurant with rat droppings in the kitchen. If it were a matter of banning bacon in general, that would be an entirely different matter.
Vendors can sell bacondogs. They just need adequate facilities to prevent food poisoning. People can whine all they want to about how much a new cart costs, but that's part of the cost of food service. It's like complaining about having to buy a sink/dishwasher to wash dishes instead of using the cheaper option of spraying your dishes with a hose in the back of the restaurant.
I know there are some out there who believe the free market will drive improvements in all areas, but I honestly recommend you do some reading about the conditions of employees and customers prior to instituting regulations on business. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I honestly recommend you do some reading about the conditions of employees and customers prior to instituting regulations on business. |
The improvements were mostly due to a general increase in prosperity that increased the expectations of consumers.
China could tomorrow mandate that all labor is 14yr/old or older. Nothing would change until families can afford to send kids to school. Then, 20 years from now, when all 14yr/olds are in school cause their families find more value in educated kids rather than laboring kids, people like you would say this was due to the government edict. |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
nanny state that CA has become? Do you have any evidence that CA is any different than other states?
And FYI, I had a gutter dog (aka hotdog wrapped in bacon) in SF a month ago. Also, requiring a food vendor license is common throughout the US.
But yes, it is a bit silly that some LA County health official shut her stand down. |
Well, California is known to be the most heavily taxed and most regulated state in the union; I don't know how you can deny that. Anyways, this was about a small business women whose life was ruined by some over-zealous low level bureaucrat at the health department. It didn't matter if it happened in LA California, Portland Maine, Clearwater Florida or wherever. I just wish the government would leave the people alone to work, produce and grow the economy. |
One scruple: you keep saying 'the government.'
But California, Florida, and Maine are three different governments. The incident you are talking about was a County affair. I mean, the beauty of the US is Federalism. California can regulate its economy as it wishes without enforcing its beliefs on Indiana. Wouldn't a consistent libertarian recognize the importance and desirability of a Federalist framework? IOW, outside of the obviously loathsome petty abuses of local bureaucrats, what skin is it off your back what California does? |
I suppose in the larger scheme of things it means little. It's just so many people clamor for more government to protect them. I'm not opposed to all regulation, but too much of it can retard an economy and destroy a person's livelihood in the process. I just thought this would be a good example of what a big and costly government achieves in the smallest of markets. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Man, if it was feasible to just eat people...
What a dream world that would be. |
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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New "Guess This Meat" video shows processed meats up close
http://www.naturalnews.com/022034.html
Following the highly successful launch of the Mystery Meat Macrophotography project on NaturalNews.com, video producer Len Foley (famous for the Bionic Burger video*) has created a "Guess This Meat" video now available on YouTube at:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OI77zi-AKhg
The two-minute video features snapshots from the Mystery Meat Macrophotography project, interspaced with hip music, narration and supporting video segments. It shows astonishing details from the photos, including magnified images of processed meat "skin" and a mystery black chunk of an unidentified substance.
The video also promotes a website, www.GuessThisMeat.com ,
which is a newly-launched site that will be developed with additional meat photos and interactive elements. Both the video and the website are intended to educate consumers about processed meat products, encouraging them to make healthful food choices when shopping for groceries or consuming food items...(edited, theres more)
Guess This Meat: The CRAZY Truth About the Meat We Eat!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OI77zi-AKhg
*Bionic Burger video
http://bionicburger.com/ |
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