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byunhosa



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Center Ice

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of you, while trying to help the OP, are jumping to conclusions that have not yet been supported by anything the OP has written.

Based on the info we have so far, I would not recommend fleeing Korea with the child. The OP would be liable for kidnapping. Also, it doesn't seem like he's ready to burn bridges with the ROK government as he's asked about retaining visas, etc., and obviously this action would result in exactly that, among other things. I can imagine he is very hurt and emotional but try not to do anything rash.

If his wife files for divorce and he is without fault, he may have a very strong case for sole custody. He should only consider this option if (a) there's an imminent risk that his wife may flee Korea with the baby to points unknown or (b) the court awards sole custody to his wife (in the latter case, he would be breaking the law of course but he may not care at that point). I would counsel patience - he should secure a competent Korean matrimonial attorney ASAP and assess his options.

In the interim, he should be sweet as honey to his wife and give her no ammunition for the divorce, even if she baits him (as she will). He might consider hiring a PI to determine what she's up to; I agree with RJjr that it seems unlikely she would jump ship so abruptly unless she had a place to land. Being divorced and with child (esp. mixed) won't make her too marketable in Korea.

As for the general sniping about giving your wife control over finances, I am not sure this is necessarily the road to ruin that others have alleged, but I don't want to hijack this guy's thread.


Good luck and pls let us know if we can be of more help.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
There may be more important things in this world than money. Unfortunately, women getting divorced don't think that way.


This coming from the guy who one post prior recommended stealing the family's money out of the country so that he doesn't have to do the LEGAL thing. I guess divorcing women aren't the only ones who think that money is the most important thing in the world.

Funny thing is, the OP does NOT want to divorce. He would reconcile if he could, but instead of recommending any counseling, nearly everyone here recommends shafting his wife as much as possible.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
RJjr wrote:
There may be more important things in this world than money. Unfortunately, women getting divorced don't think that way.


This coming from the guy who one post prior recommended stealing the family's money out of the country so that he doesn't have to do the LEGAL thing. I guess divorcing women aren't the only ones who think that money is the most important thing in the world.

Funny thing is, the OP does NOT want to divorce. He would reconcile if he could, but instead of recommending any counseling, nearly everyone here recommends shafting his wife as much as possible.


I take it you skipped over the part about how he is being treated.
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
Gain her confidence, then steal her money.

Steal her child and leave the country.

Take the money and run.

Wow, a lot of quality people here giving advice. Next week, they'll be wondering why Koreans don't want to date them. I guess all Koreans just must be racist.


He shouldn't steal her money or steal a child from anyone. But he should leave Korea with his money and his child.

byunhosa wrote:
The OP would be liable for kidnapping.


He hasn't lost custody of his child. I doubt Canadian authorities would prosecute him or extradite him for taking his own kid with him to live in his hometown.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP sounds like a good guy in a shitty situation. Taking what you wrote on good faith, some thoughts...

1) Dave's is not the place to come for advice. It is the place to come for rationalization, venting, and making up of things to support your world-view. The keyboard jockeys are not here to be helpful, they are here to feel good. DO NOT TAKE THE DAVETARD'S ADVICE SERIOUSLY. I know its a little schizophrenic, considering I'm about to give you advice but ...

2) The only way that your woman's behaviour makes sense to me is if she a hater in her social circle. A friend or relative who has it in for you or for foreigners in general. Or she may have another man lined up. That was my first impression.

3) Read The Passion Trap by Dean Delis. According to my friend (MA in Counseling) it is the best book on relationships ever written. The general thrust of the book is that there are inherent, systematic problems with romantic relationships that cross time, space, gender, and culture. I slapped my self in the head a couple of times while reading it. The book may give you some tips on redressing the balance of power in your relationship.

4) If you are serious about reconciliation, exhaust it as an option. Wives and kids are big commitments. If I were you, I would not want to have any regrets about altering those relationships. If things do go all pear shaped, you deserve to walk out of there with your head held high, having worked your ass off. Someone suggested couples counseling above. I've never been, but you could give it a shot.

5) Try opening a new bank account, having your next paycheck go to it, and then pay your wife an allowance. See what happens. Just a thought.
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byunhosa



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Center Ice

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
madoka wrote:
Gain her confidence, then steal her money.

Steal her child and leave the country.

Take the money and run.

Wow, a lot of quality people here giving advice. Next week, they'll be wondering why Koreans don't want to date them. I guess all Koreans just must be racist.


He shouldn't steal her money or steal a child from anyone. But he should leave Korea with his money and his child.

byunhosa wrote:
The OP would be liable for kidnapping.


He hasn't lost custody of his child. I doubt Canadian authorities would prosecute him or extradite him for taking his own kid with him to live in his hometown.


That's my point. He hasn't lost custody, and neither has his wife. What would you do if someone took your child overseas without your consent? Call the police, of course. Perhaps you saw those milk cartons back in the 80s with "missing" children on them? Many of those were divorced parents who took the kid without a court order or the other parent's consent.

It isn't even clear whether his wife would want custody. In Korea, there are often "reverse" custody battles where neither parent wants the child due to the challenges in getting re-married.

My point is simply to wait and see what her intentions are. Unless she is a flight risk with the child, no point in forcing the issue and getting yourself in trouble. It may come to that yet, but let's see.

A lot of you are simply projecting your experiences on the OP. He has reason to be cautious, but no reason to panic. He does have rights and with a competent Korean attorney's help, he can enforce them.
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right that she probably won't want the kid and it's likely a moot point, but we shouldn't mislead the OP into believing he'll get treated fairly in the Korean judicial system.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
Gain her confidence, then steal her money.

Steal her child and leave the country.

Take the money and run.

Wow, a lot of quality people here giving advice. Next week, they'll be wondering why Koreans don't want to date them. I guess all Koreans just must be racist.


Even funnier is that those of us who gave that advice are married to........Koreans!! Yep, looks likes it's really tough for us to meet women here.

Who the hell wonders about Korean women not dating them?? If you're white, not super fat, and have a pulse, there are no problems.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who knows hobophobic really well, I know he will do the right thing and won't take some of the crap advice given on here. I hope it all works out.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
As someone who knows hobophobic really well, I know he will do the right thing and won't take some of the crap advice given on here. I hope it all works out.



Ahhh, so you're one of those "loser friends" that got him into trouble in the first place... Wink

(for the record, when I said "take the baby and run", that's a bit of b.s.... Obviously, find out the legality of everything and don't screw yourself. But if she does really push for divorce, you gotta do everything in your power to do what's best for junior. And let's not beat around the bush: the west is better)
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Gideon



Joined: 24 Feb 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL.. wow.. daves esl forums never cease to amaze me.

Based on the comments by some users in this thread I almost thought this was the jerry springer show.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry Springer exactly! I can't believe someone would post something as personal as this on an internet forum. IMHO, people from another expat site are flooding this board w/ troll threads in oder to gain some cliental out old time regular posters who want to bypass the daily troll spam.
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Gideon



Joined: 24 Feb 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in fact this isnt a one sided issue and the OP really is being honest, it doesnt hide the fact that this is NOT something to be discussed on any forum for that matter.

I mean really, if you need to use the internet to resort to seeking out helpful information from anonymous ppl then thats just plain sad!!
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:


OP, what does your wife do for a living and how much does she earn per month? If she's not working, then she almost definitely has another man ready to keep supporting her after you're out of the picture. Presumably, he makes more money than you do since she's complaining about your income. It's the same concept of how most people don't quit their job until they have another one lined up and the new job usually pays higher.

In any case, you need to get one of your closest foreign friends to tail her on her "playtime" and see what's going on, and get pictures of everything: any PDA, hand holding, going to the motel with the guy, etc.

It would probably be worthwhile to get keystroke logging for your home PC or the one she uses so you can see her hand before she plays it and maybe even find out where you might be able to get pictures of her shacking up with her boyfriend.


I totally see the point of all this. She has been ice cold and if you can prove it's her fault, a divorce, based on infidelity then it'll end up fair and square.

Spliff, I've seen again and again on Dave's how foreigners feel like 2nd class citizens at moments here in Korea. Imagine H's position. His wife and the wife's family are working on him. That's pretty core. Home is a refuge. Imagine if your homelife/sanctum in Korea was compromised and attempting to shake your confidence, work you over. That would be a test of strength. H is putting his situation online, sensibly, to get his bearings to proceed sensibly, get over the emotion. I'm sure H can weed through the disparaging comments in this thread which are mere fluff compared to the core issues he's going thru right now.

H, fighting!


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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
I don't know what the payments-to-the-ex laws in Korea are, but I would definitely liquidate as much worth as possible, carry it down to Singapore, and deposit it into an account. Have them mail the statements to your parents' home in your homeland. If you have a joint account in Korea or anywhere else with your wife, you've got to get that money out NOW before she does, assuming she hasn't already. Don't wire any money from a Korean bank. You need to carry it out.

Best of luck. We're rooting for you.



Wow, I guess money is a lot more important than child's well being.
As you know his mixed blood kid doesn't have much future in Korea, my heart is already broken Crying or Very sad
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