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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: Tories, Liberal Democrats best Labour Party |
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A look across the pond
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With results still coming in from elections around England and Wales, Labour�s projected national vote share was put at just 24 per cent, trailing 20 points behind David Cameron�s Conservatives on 44 per cent, and even behind the Liberal Democrats on 25 per cent.
Overall, councils declaring overnight saw Labour lose 143 councillors and Conservatives gain 139, while Liberal Democrats were up 12. With around 50 councils counting ballots today, Labour�s total deficit could hit 250 or even 300 before Mr Brown�s suffering is complete |
So if Labour is in a deficit, are they still in charge? Or does Brown still have enough of a coalition to retain Prime Minister? Can some knowledgeable Brit explain the situation, plz. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Last week was local elections for control of councils ect. The governing party of the country is decided at general elections...the last general election was in 2005 and the next can be called by the ruling party at any time in the next 5 years. With Labour being weak Brown will probably wait until the latest possible time (spring 2010) to go to the polls. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Last week was local elections for control of councils ect. |
Would that be city governments or does 'council' have a broader usage in Britain? |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Local government, essentially. The really good news is that Boris Johnson is the new Mayor of London. He's a real character. Tory leader David Cameron is a very Blair-like character and hopefully the Tories will get back in government. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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For me, Ken got swept away by a combination of:
1. The anti-Labour sentiment created by Blair's misadventures and Brown's lack of leadership skills.
2. The direction the economy seems to be heading.
3. the anti-Ken campaign waged by the Evening standard. A shit paper who have never forgiven Ken for his days in the GLC (when he slagged off the standard for an anti Irish cartoon they ran)
4. the fact that he'd been in for two terms already.
Its a shame we've ended up with a mayor who hasn't been elected on his own merits (would anyone argue with that?) but thats how democracy works sometimes.
Johnson is mayor now, and maybe he'll surprise us all and make a good job of it. I don't think we're expecting anything bold and visionary, but who knows....
More interstingly I think the BNP paranoia is now overatted however much the media bangs on about it, look at Rome where they have actually voted in a fascist as Mayor. Apparently Alemanno's supporters chanted "Duce! Duce!" at the victory parade.
They had lots of people over there who said, you have to deal with the immigration thing or the fascists will get in. So they brought in vicious anti-immgrant laws and... the fascist got in, the first time Rome has had any kind of right-winger as mayor for decades.
I hope that shows those anti-immigrant types who like to use the fascist vote in a kind of blackmail deal - "if you don't chuck out the poles/darkies/jews, my people will vote BNP!" that you guys are going for a 'be careful what you wish for' kind of deal. |
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Beeyee

Joined: 29 May 2007
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Neil wrote: |
For me, Ken got swept away by a combination of:
1. The anti-Labour sentiment created by Blair's misadventures and Brown's lack of leadership skills.
2. The direction the economy seems to be heading.
3. the anti-Ken campaign waged by the Evening standard. A shit paper who have never forgiven Ken for his days in the GLC (when he slagged off the standard for an anti Irish cartoon they ran)
4. the fact that he'd been in for two terms already.
Its a shame we've ended up with a mayor who hasn't been elected on his own merits (would anyone argue with that?) but thats how democracy works sometimes.
Johnson is mayor now, and maybe he'll surprise us all and make a good job of it. I don't think we're expecting anything bold and visionary, but who knows....
More interstingly I think the BNP paranoia is now overatted however much the media bangs on about it, look at Rome where they have actually voted in a fascist as Mayor. Apparently Alemanno's supporters chanted "Duce! Duce!" at the victory parade.
They had lots of people over there who said, you have to deal with the immigration thing or the fascists will get in. So they brought in vicious anti-immgrant laws and... the fascist got in, the first time Rome has had any kind of right-winger as mayor for decades.
I hope that shows those anti-immigrant types who like to use the fascist vote in a kind of blackmail deal - "if you don't chuck out the poles/darkies/jews, my people will vote BNP!" that you guys are going for a 'be careful what you wish for' kind of deal. |
It will be interesting to see how Richard Barnbrook fares on the GLA. The other parties didn't conduct themselves very well when he was giving his victory speech. They all walked off in protest and came out of it looking rather petty IMO. Now they are talking about isolating him in the GLA and encouraging civil servants not to work for him. It shows a blatant disregard for the democratic process and is a kick in the teeth to the 70,000 Londoners that voted for him.. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Justin Hale wrote: |
Local government, essentially. The really good news is that Boris Johnson is the new Mayor of London. He's a real character. Tory leader David Cameron is a very Blair-like character and hopefully the Tories will get back in government. |
The guys a plank. Notice how in the run-up he didn't make a lot of speeches because he'd say something dumb and upper class. George Bush is a real character as well, does that help?
Local elections have no bearing on Labour at all. Unlike most other useful voting systems, that all other developed countries have you can give a 'bloody nose' to the government like you can in Germany or France. "First past the post' is the most unrepresentative voting system possible. Give total power to one party with absolutely no checks and balances. I feel that this is a large part of the problem and part of the reason that the England is absolutely doomed.
Conservative 376 seats------42.2% of the vote------13,760,935 votes
Labour 229-------------30.8----------------------10,029,270
SDP-Liberal Alliance 22-------22.6------------------7,341,651
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election%2C_1987
What kind of stupid system gives a third placed party with 22.6% of the vote, 22 seats? Not proportional in the least. Is it any wonder that Brits can't be arsed to vote anymore. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I completely agree with you Dome Vans. I find it so frustrating that come election day, I dare not cast my vote for the Lib Dems because it has the practical effect of giving my vote to the Tories. This really pisses me off. The Australians have a much better system where you can give preferential votes. If we had the Aussie system in the UK, we could give our first vote to Lib Dems, and if they didn't have a chance of winning, our second preference (Labour in my case) would be taken into account. So my vote would not be wasted. We'd see the rise of other parties too, like the Greens. The Aussie system is still not perfect either, and there must be even better ways of getting fairer representation.
However, neither Labour nor the Tories will change this system, as they both benefit keeping it a 2 horse race. |
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