|
Korean Job Discussion Forums "The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| How Right Wing and Left Wing are you? |
| I�m RW on all |
|
7% |
[ 2 ] |
| I'm LW on all |
|
14% |
[ 4 ] |
| I'm mostly LW (10 or more LW) |
|
53% |
[ 15 ] |
| I'm mostly RW (10 or more RW) |
|
25% |
[ 7 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 28 |
|
| Author |
Message |
peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
|
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| That's a pretty American centric group of questions you've got there. By 'Merican standards, I'd be a raving lefty, by Canuck standards, I'm somewhat moderate. The thing is though, there isn't much I accept uncritically. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
|
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
| peppermint wrote: |
| That's a pretty American centric group of questions you've got there. By 'Merican standards, I'd be a raving lefty, by Canuck standards, I'm somewhat moderate. |
That's interesting. I didn't know "right" "and" meant different things in different countries. Maybe someone can elaborate on it, explain it to me.
Here's another quiz, shorter by about half. It comes from a libertarian website, but you can judge for yourself how obhective the questions are. This one gives an option for "maybe," so that might help a bit. Turns out I'm not quite as left as I thought I was, according to this one.
As for the OP, I got 17 LWs and the 2 RWs were because I think nuclear energy COULD work if the profit motive was removed, which tends to undermine the safety aspects of things (the US Navy has been running reactors longer than anyone, with never an accident larger than normal background rads on a sunny day at the beach) and I tend to support Israel and Palestine equally (though in truth I think I'd prefer outside nations just back away from both of them, let these folks discover their own private flavors of hell, if they must).
Most days of the week I tend to think left and right are sort of outmoded categories these days, since no one on the planest seems to think the dictatorship of the proletariat and the slow withering away of Adam Smith's invisible hand of the market are very likely ... um, no one except maybe some guy named Fidel and another one named Kim, I suppose.
The problem with trusting that invisible hand too much, though, is that not only can't it be seen, is it also blind itself. So it needs assistance, or it'll knock things over instead of picking things up and helping us create new and more wonderful things. And I think one important role of government is to be the guide dog for that hand ... so, gee, I guess that makes me a liberal.
But, if Right and Left no longer mean much, I do think Progressivism still has meaning, as does its opposite, Conservatism. The former says that we can make changes in the world to improve things, and the latter says that things are fine, or if anything we need to change them back the way they were before. Obviously, I'm a Progressive, and I think most rational views of history tend toward the notion that things are better today than they were in the past - though, I admit, I have had a few mornings where I wake up and wonder if (as Douglas Adams put it, I think) maybe coming down from the trees wasn't that great an idea after all.
I'll go with blurgalurgala's take on nationalism, though. Instead of "My country, right or wrong," I prefer, "My species, better and better, and a little better tomorrow, too." |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
|
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
| The Bobster wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| That's a pretty American centric group of questions you've got there. By 'Merican standards, I'd be a raving lefty, by Canuck standards, I'm somewhat moderate. |
That's interesting. I didn't know "right" "and" meant different things in different countries. Maybe someone can elaborate on it, explain it to me. |
They don't really mean different things, but things like socialized medicine, gay marriage and abortion rights aren't really debatable in Canada these days. Those issues have been decided, so there's socialized medicine, gay marriage, and there's talk of nominating Henry Morgentaler, who fought for abortion access rights, for the Order of Canada. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
|
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I've come across many far Right Canadians. Whether socialized medicine etc exist in Canada is immaterial really. I want to know what people think, not what exists. Also, I deliberately left out a healthcare question, because hostility to socialized medicine usually means one is a Republican American. Conservatives in other countries often have no desire for an American private system.
Anyway, I've tweeked the OP a little. As we can see, it's comparatively rare for people to be total RW or LW (LW or RW beliefs on all 19). Total conservatism requires having RW beliefs on all 19 and total liberalism requires having LW beliefs on all 19. Many liberals support the war on drugs and believe in God. Many conservatives like me are raving atheists, evolutionists and accept the scientific consensus on climate change uncritically, want to destroy the war on drugs, have no problem with abortion and gay marriage. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
|
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
| The Bobster wrote: |
| Here's another quiz, shorter by about half. It comes from a libertarian website, but you can judge for yourself how obhective the questions are. This one gives an option for "maybe," so that might help a bit. Turns out I'm not quite as left as I thought I was, according to this one. |
I wound up here:
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=7&e=5 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
|
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| More votes wouldn't go at all amiss here. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Location: namyang
|
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Didn't vote. Stupid post. Atheist. huh? Wish we could speak when you are near death. You'll believe, trust me, you'll believe. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
crash bang
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Location: gwangju
|
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
12 left 5 right 2 undecided
if the iraq question was changed to how i feel about it now, it would be 13 left 4 right |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
|
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Religion: LW tend to be atheists and RW to be theists.
Me: I�m an atheist
Evolution: LW tend to accept evolution uncritically and RW tend to criticize evolution.
Me: Haven't really studied it.
Capital punishment: LW tend to be anti-capital punishment, RW tend to be for capital punishment.
Me: Not morally against it, but practically against the possibility of putting an innocent man to death.
Opposition to, criticism and mockery of Islam: RW tend to criticize, mock Islam in opposition to it. LW tend to not, or are even against the criticism, mockery, opposition to Islam.
Me: I am deeply opposed to Islam, especially its most virulent anti-civilization death-worshiping strain. I don't usually "mock" Islam although I am critical of it--and all species of faith including Christianity. It just so happens that many Muslims are as bad as Christians were during the Inquisition.
The state and society: RW tend to support state influence on personal behavior and ethics (marriage, drug-use, abortion) but are hostile to state influence on the economy. LW the opposite.
Me: Hostile to state involvement in any aspect of an individual's life, whether it his wallet or his bedroom. They are intrinsically tied together--men need property to survive and flourish.
The state and the economy: RW tend to favor minimal, if any, state involvement in the economy. LW tend to favor state involvement in the economy such as minimum wage
Me: No state involvement in the economy, since it destroys the economy. Minimum wage creates unemployment and disemployment and does not make anyone richer.
Manmade climate change: RW tend to criticize the scientific consensus (Limbaugh, Buchanan, Coulter, O�Reilly), LW tend to accept the scientific consensus uncritically:
Me: The only scientific "consensus" is that global warming is happening, not that it is anthropocentric nor is there even any idea to what degree it is would be anthropocentric or whether the major causal factor is CO2.
Nuclear energy expansion: RW often favor it (John McCain is the sole presidential candidate to explicitly endorse it), LW tend to believe it is dangerous for several reasons and instead support renewables
Me: Nuclear power is safer and cleaner than anything and allows us to stop paying thugs and murderers for their oil.
Gay marriage: RW tend to be against, LW tend to be for
Me: Don't care.
Abortion: RW tend be against, LW tend to be for
Me: Foetuses are not human beings with individual rights. The only person with rights in the situation of an abortion is the human being involved: the mother.
War on drugs: RW tend to be for, LW tend to be against
Me: For full legalization of all drugs, elimination of the FDA and the creation of a world-leading unregulated private health care market.
Israel and the Palestinians: RW tend to support Israel, LW tend to support the Palestinians.
Me: I support the only civilized state in a sea of barbarians.
Iraq War: RW tended to support the war in 2003, LW tended to be against
Me: Against the Iraq war as it is performed and because Iran has always been the main enemy to defeat.
Nationalism: RW tend to be nationalists, LW tend to oppose nationalism (nationalism, I advocate, is the belief that nations, especially one's own, are superior to others, from 'some others' to perhaps all)
Me: Some nations, namely free ones, are objectively better for human beings to live in and achieve happiness. ie It is objectively better for a human being to live in Australia rather than Zimbabwe.
Patriotism: RW tend to have patriotic feelings (simply loving your own country), LW tend to not have.
Me: I love the US for its founding principles but I'm not an American.
The threat of Islamic terrorism: RW tend to endorse the view that it�s a severe threat, LW tend to disbelieve it is a severe threat.
Me: Obviously there have been thousands murdered and the stated goal of some of these groups is to establish a worldwide caliphate.
Immigration: RW tend to favor immigration on a strictly need-only basis. LW tend to welcome all with open arms
Me: Give us your poor, your tired, and your huddled masses. Immigrants aren't destroying the culture; they're more American in spirit than most Americans. It's the university professors in the humanities departments that need deportation. Send them to a 'socialist paradise' like North Korea.
Extensive political reform: RW tend to oppose, LW tend to support
Me: Change everything to the positions I've outlined.
Tolerance: LW tend to endorse universal tolerance, RW tends to be intolerant
Me: I don't know what this means. I do not "tolerate" things that are abjectly evil--that would be a monumental injustice. For example, if Hitler was murdering Jews I would not call that a "cultural opinion that everyone is entitled to have." |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
|
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Bryan wrote: |
| Me: The only scientific "consensus" is that global warming is happening, not that it is anthropocentric nor is there even any idea to what degree it is would be anthropocentric or whether the major causal factor is CO2 |
The consensus is that (a) climate change (largely but not exclusively global warming) is a fact, (b) human greenhouse gases are at least partly responsible.
(b) has a minimum likelihood of 90%.
This is consensus expert opinion, not unanimous.
Yours was the best post in the thread otherwise, Bryan. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
|
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
| peppermint wrote: |
| The Bobster wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| That's a pretty American centric group of questions you've got there. By 'Merican standards, I'd be a raving lefty, by Canuck standards, I'm somewhat moderate. |
That's interesting. I didn't know "right" "and" meant different things in different countries. Maybe someone can elaborate on it, explain it to me. |
They don't really mean different things, but things like socialized medicine, gay marriage and abortion rights aren't really debatable in Canada these days. Those issues have been decided, so there's socialized medicine, gay marriage, and there's talk of nominating Henry Morgentaler, who fought for abortion access rights, for the Order of Canada. |
Henry Morgentaler! I love him. This just made my day. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|