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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:14 pm    Post subject: Another Korean American AKA the hijacked thread Reply with quote

"I would have never come to Korea if I had known about the situation I was going to be in," Chun Young-jin, a dual citizenship holder from the United States, said in an interview with The Korea Times.

Chun, 24, was born in Champaign, Illinois, while his parents were attending school there. Both of his parents were naturalized later on, his father in 1980 and his mother in 1981, but Chun was given an American citizenship at birth in 1978 as the U.S. government recognizes all those born within its territories as citizens.

Not realizing that he was also given a Korean citizenship due to his parents' Korean nationality at time of his birth, Chun came to the country in December 2002 to take an English teaching position at a private language institute.

"I was barely out of my college and I thought it was a good way to pay off my debts from college. I also thought it�d be a good experience to visit my parents� country and find out more about my ethnicity," he said.

Chun entered the country on an E-2 visa, a one-year work permit visa given to foreigners working as English instructors, and claims to have heard nothing about his Korean citizenship or the military service until he tried to get a F-4 visa, a two-year residential visa given to only ethnic Koreans.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003120717224111950.htm


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Arthur Fonzerelli



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Korean American; Cannot Leave Korea Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
"I would have never come to Korea if I had known about the situation I was going to be in," Chun Young-jin, a dual citizenship holder from the United States, said in an interview with The Korea Times.

Chun, 24, was born in Champaign, Illinois, while his parents were attending school there. Both of his parents were naturalized later on, his father in 1980 and his mother in 1981, but Chun was given an American citizenship at birth in 1978 as the U.S. government recognizes all those born within its territories as citizens.

Not realizing that he was also given a Korean citizenship due to his parents' Korean nationality at time of his birth, Chun came to the country in December 2002 to take an English teaching position at a private language institute.

"I was barely out of my college and I thought it was a good way to pay off my debts from college. I also thought it�d be a good experience to visit my parents� country and find out more about my ethnicity," he said.

Chun entered the country on an E-2 visa, a one-year work permit visa given to foreigners working as English instructors, and claims to have heard nothing about his Korean citizenship or the military service until he tried to get a F-4 visa, a two-year residential visa given to only ethnic Koreans.
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003120717224111950.htm


welcome to the Korean army son.... enjoy your 26 months of service...
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't understand why so many Koreans have their children overseas so they can avoid military service.

How is this possible, if Gyopos are being forced into service?
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jaebea



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just a matter of trying to have your hands in both pies, so to speak.

I think it's one of the great misconceptions about being born overseas. Being a foreign national doesn't prevent you being a Korean national, and you know what that means.. :)

Then again, I guess it should be made clear to such people that without renouncing their Korean citizenship, their efforts to naturalise their child to some other country is really moot. It's just about doing the homework.

That said, I still feel sorry for the poor guy. He had no idea what was waiting for him in Korea... :/ You hear these stories every day, and it still saddening, because it's so close to home for me. It could have very easily been me.

jae.
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The official also said there was no way for Chun or any other dual citizenship holder over the age of 18 to give up their Korean citizenship until they have fulfilled their South Korean military service. "The only thing preventing them from giving up their Korean citizenship is the military service. Once they are done with the military service, they will be allowed to give up their Korean citizenship," he said.

"I am afraid the same kind of thing might happen when these other ethnic Koreans come to the country to learn about their ancestral heritage. I just think everybody should be given a chance to choose," Chun said.

"They said I would be okay as long as I fill out their military exemption form," Chun said. However, the move turned out to be more beneficial for the nation's military. The Military Manpower Administration, which was not aware of whereabouts of Chun until he filled out the military exemption form, then sent him a notice of draft which also stated that Chun was banned from traveling abroad thereafter.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200312/kt2003120717224111950.htm
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Mr. Pink



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was the guy I would try to bolt...I think that is one of the stupidest things...AFTER the military service you can give up your citizenship. Wonder if that is the same guy that was posted about earlier on this forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conscription is total bullshiat in my opinion. You cannot force a person to be a good soldier. If a person is serving against their will how combat ready will they be?

The Korean army is a prime example of this.

Maybe it's not good to make the comparison between Korea and the US but the American military is all voluntary and is by far the best trained and most effective fighting force in the world. The people serving for the most part want to be there, it is their choice and they are better soldiers for it.

On a side note, why the hell isn't the US embassy getting these people the *beep* out of Korea? American citizens who serve in a foreign army lose their citizenship, this alone should be reason enough to run to the consul and claim asylum.
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mo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maxx power, I think you'll find American soldiers are widely regarded as poor soldiers by numerous miltary organisations. They may have the best manpower numbers and technology, but they have poor soldiery
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matko



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there an age limit on the draft?
I know when I lived in Croatia and took out my Croat citizenship, I made damn sure that I was old enough to avoid the army.

I feel sorry for this guy, but at the same time he's an idiot. I'm sure his parents warned him about this. If not, his parents are idiots too.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mo wrote:
maxx power, I think you'll find American soldiers are widely regarded as poor soldiers by numerous miltary organisations. They may have the best manpower numbers and technology, but they have poor soldiery


I take deep offence to that as a former Army soldier (5 years of service). Widely regarded as poor soldiers by whom?

Not to hijack the thread we can take this to PM but that is a pretty fucked up thing to say.
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Hank Scorpio



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maxxx_power wrote:

Maybe it's not good to make the comparison between Korea and the US but the American military is all voluntary and is by far the best trained and most effective fighting force in the world.


I would challenge this easily. As much as I'd like to play favorites being a vet, the IDF has got it all over us training-wise. For your average, run of the mill soldiers who just go through basic and AIT (and the equivalents in other services) they don't train as hard as the British army either.

I'd argue that our aviators are the best in the world, and in special forces we've got the upper hand in certain areas. The SEALs are pretty much number one when it comes to seaborne infiltration, and Delta Force is damned good at the snatch & grab. Marine Force Recon is just all around nasty, nasty, nasty.

I'd argue that our green berets, while good, probably don't measure up to groups like the British SAS, and particularly the Aussie SAS; those guys are hard.

Still, no nation can be the best in everything. For our manpower, our industrial capacity, and our technology we're head and shoulders above every one else easily.[/b]
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mo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maxxx, PM waiting for you.

Hank, I think you're pretty much hitting the nail on the head.
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote,

Wonder if that is the same guy that was posted about earlier on this forum.

They are two different people. The other one was 34 and lived much longer in Korea. He was working in a company. This person (Chun) is 24 and recently came to Korea to teach English.


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Hank Scorpio



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as Mo's saying that the US produces bad soldiers; I call BS. We produce professional, motivated troops, no doubt about it. I have issues with the way we've weenied up training and softened up basic in particular, but we still produce good soldiers.

Besides which, being a good soldier and being a good fighter are two vastly different things. Often the worst soldiers are the best fighters, and vice versa. There are countless stories in the American military about Medal of Honor winners later getting busted for petty criminality. Snuffy Smith was a horrible, horrible soldier, but he still put something like 3 german machine gun nests out of comission and held off a charge with a friggin' pistol. He was promoted to sergeant, awarded the MOH, and a month later was busted down to private for getting drunk and stealing a jeep.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maxxx_power wrote:
mo wrote:
maxx power, I think you'll find American soldiers are widely regarded as poor soldiers by numerous miltary organisations. They may have the best manpower numbers and technology, but they have poor soldiery


I take deep offence to that as a former Army soldier (5 years of service). Widely regarded as poor soldiers by whom?

Not to hijack the thread we can take this to PM but that is a pretty *beep* up thing to say.


It doesnt take a great soldier to push the button to drop a smart bomb. The jets practically fly themselves. American soldiers are only so effective due to their technical edge. Look at what happened in Mogadishu when your elite soldiers went in. Got their asses handed to them by a bunch of untrained rebels with rifles. Those guys were teenagers and yet still kicked the asses of your marines.
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