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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject: Education and Korea Reply with quote

There is so much discussion going on about education these days that it is mind boggling. Moving away from the normal discussion and debate about English language short course programs which has been done in the past, it is time to up the ante regarding true qualifications in education. Several people have mentioned graduate programs from various places, and a new one will begin through the Graduate School of International Education in July. This option for people will hopefully take some of the sting out of the pocketbook for people while offering them a legitimate, accredited program with an administrator and teacher education focus.

This might be one way of assuring that you can improve your level of academic training and look into employment in other areas besides "assistant English teacher" in Korea. If you want information on the program, click the Graduate School link or send me a PM for details.


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Tjames426



Joined: 06 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is so much discussion going on about education these days that it is mind boggling. Moving away from the normal discussion and debate about English language short course programs which has been done in the past, it is time to up the ante regarding true qualifications in education.

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There are people with Graduate certificates and degrees in TESOL already in Korea. They are not offered anything more than the crap 2 million for only "children".

It is not about English short courses or education. It is about Korea unable to offer qualified people the conditions to bring them here, or remain here.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tjames426 wrote:
There are people with Graduate certificates and degrees in TESOL already in Korea. They are not offered anything more than the crap 2 million for only "children".

It is not about English short courses or education. It is about Korea unable to offer qualified people the conditions to bring them here, or remain here.


I have to concur here.... they are unwilling or unable to pony up what is needed in terms of HRM to get or keep qualified individuals with but a few exceptions who are here for "other reasons".

Truth is, the system has been so badly mismanaged over the last decade or so that they will have to/plan to lower the standards significantly to get anywhere near enough warm bodies to fill their quotas.

Anyone who things they (the Korean education system) are willing, ready or able to deal with educated professionals on a large scale is truly living in a dream world.
(And I am no wet behind the ears newbie nor am I unqualified when making my statement).

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bookemdanno



Joined: 30 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And let's not forget salary apartheid, which thrives at the university level of what ought to be tenured foreign faculty with comparable or superior academic credentials being held at bargain basement wages.

Case in point: Korean professor at a Cyber University in Seoul providing distance learning to undergrads who earned her doctorate from a major American university earning nearly 7 million won per month for 9 hours of teaching per week.

By contrast, an American professor in a specialized international graduate program with a doctorate from the same university but more teaching experience earning just over 4 million won per month for 15 hours of teaching per week, and not in a virtual classroom.

Anecdotal evidence? Oh, sure, but hardly an isolated example.
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bookemdanno



Joined: 30 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump

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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:45 am    Post subject: Room for Growth Reply with quote

Both ttompatz and Tjames426 make good points about the standard "English only" dimension of education. However, I am speaking more globally about people who are really serious about making a move professionally, either with or without Korea being their nation of choice for employment options. It is time for people to look at the whole training system and take advantage of the global expansion that is taking place right under our feet. No global model for training "educators" existed up until this point in time, and now we are on the cusp of seeing one that will offer far higher standards than have been introduced by any university or graduate training programs offering their "International" education models. Thinking outside the box is what has led to the majority of the problems not only in Korea but around the world.

This is why it is time to begin looking at the opportunity to make a difference. In Korea, if they are willing to work with you. However, if Korea is not for you, then the education will give you much more leverage Internationally than you may have had before.
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sea2sea



Joined: 18 Dec 2006
Location: S. Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Link Reply with quote

Hey tob55,

Thanks for the great link! The programs look quite interesting! If you have others feel free to pass them on. I am somewhat addicted to online courses and am always looking for something new.
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aarontendo



Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Program accredited through India. Where do I sign up?

I guess that came off a bit flippant, but hell I don't see these degrees being worth anything more than the prizes I got from a Cracker Jack or cereal box.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Per Usual Reply with quote

sea2sea, thanks, and aarontendo, not much to say to your comments. Being open and honest is a good policy and often gives one reason to smile. Even the PMs people sent have a sense of humor in them. Typically, everyone always wants to shoot the messenger before finding out what's in the package. I have learned after many years of working with all kinds of people that it is this variety that makes the world go around.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Tjames426 wrote:
There are people with Graduate certificates and degrees in TESOL already in Korea. They are not offered anything more than the crap 2 million for only "children".

It is not about English short courses or education. It is about Korea unable to offer qualified people the conditions to bring them here, or remain here.


I have to concur here.... they are unwilling or unable to pony up what is needed in terms of HRM to get or keep qualified individuals with but a few exceptions who are here for "other reasons".

Truth is, the system has been so badly mismanaged over the last decade or so that they will have to/plan to lower the standards significantly to get anywhere near enough warm bodies to fill their quotas.

Anyone who things they (the Korean education system) are willing, ready or able to deal with educated professionals on a large scale is truly living in a dream world.
(And I am no wet behind the ears newbie nor am I unqualified when making my statement).

.


So very true and well put.
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