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THE STORIES THAT WEREN'T TOLD: CHINESE AT TORCH RELAY
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bookemdanno



Joined: 30 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: THE STORIES THAT WEREN'T TOLD: CHINESE AT TORCH RELAY Reply with quote

I scoured The Korean Herald online and forced myself to watch the TV news channels in the slim hope that the media in this so-called peninsular democracy would provide balanced coverage of the confrontation between Korean demonstrators and Chinese students during the Olympic torch relay in Seoul recently.


INstead, the Chinese students were collectively referred to as "wild" and "not easy to control." The police were criticized for not doing enough, though they did shelter more than a few Korean agitators from a few Chinese students who were going to kick their azz.

A huge wrench was supposedly wielded by one of the Chinese students who was arrested. Later, digital video and still shots revealed that the very same sort of wrench was in the hands of a male Korean demonstrator. This error was never acknowledged.

At least two Chinese flags were burned or otherwise desecrated in view of the students, causing some to become understandably agitated. Many had insults flung their way while others were pushed and shoved. The Chinese consulate in Pusan was accused of the heinous crime of aiding and abetting the students by (gasp) providing them with buses to the event in Seoul. And, of course, the Foreign Ministry of the ROK demanded an official apology from the PRC Embassy, which was not forthcoming although expressions of regret were mouthed.

Oddly, The Korean Herald initially reported that one Chinese and three Koreans were arrested in the melee that ensued but chose to focus their ire on the one Chinese student, who has since been deported.

Another incident occurring the next day on the Seoul subway wasn't reported in the local press but was reported on two Chinese student blogs. Admittedly, it is based on hearsay and could be exaggerated but the fact that it happened at all is still telling. A Chinese female student was told by two Korean college students that all Chinese are dogs. She said nothing at first but they persisted. Finally, she blurted back the same insult only to be surrounded by these and other punks while other, older Koreans sat back and did nothing. The girl was so afraid that she got off at the very next stop.

So what do you make of it this series of incidents? Is it just a tempest in a teapot that blew out with the Olympic torch when it was extinguished? Or is a telling reminder of lingering racism among many Koreans toward Chinese? Was the clash on the streets of Seoul provoked? Did the police handle matters properly? And what does all this say about Korea's image in the press? (In the official Chinese press, it has actually been played down.)
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Chinese consulate in Pusan was accused of the heinous crime of aiding and abetting the students by (gasp) providing them with buses to the event in Seoul.


Just out of curiousity, is this standard procedure for consulates? I mean, if the American consulate in Busan got wind of an upcoming anti-American rally to be held in Seoul, would they round up all the available Yanks in town and bus them up to the capital to join in the shouting match? On the face of it, that would seem like a rather counterproductive response.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese did that here in the states. I don't know if it was organized by the consulate, but Chinese students at universities throughout California were bussed to San Francisco to protest against the anti-China protesters.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go OTOH, from the NY Times:

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Hai Ming, 37, a Chinese student of civil engineering at University of California, Davis, about 70 miles east, had come to the torch ceremony on a bus chartered by consulate officials. He said the people on the bus were told they should be peaceful and careful about their safety.


Article

Edit: whoops, I guess you weren't expressing skepticism of the consulate doing that, you were just wondering if it would be deemed "normal" behavior for a consulate.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we discussed the issue in class (adult students) the two main responses were:

a) It happened because Korea is small and weak compared to China. If Korea were stronger, Chinese would respect them and obey the laws.

b) There was a lot of sympathy for Tibet. Japan colonized Korea and China has colonized Tibet.

My perception is that the average Korean is susceptible to being stirred up against any foreign nation, whether it be the US, Japan or China, if the issue is presented 'properly'.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll find no sympathy for either China or Korea from me.
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bookemdanno



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander:

Wasn't lookin' for sympathy. Cops like me never do. Just wanted to set the record straight since we won't get it from the Korean press, despite its "freedoms."

bucheon bum wrote:

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Edit: whoops, I guess you weren't expressing skepticism of the consulate doing that, you were just wondering if it would be deemed "normal" behavior for a consulate.


I hear ya, but I know for certain that at least two groups of Chinese students were bussed to Seoul from my city so that they could take part in the festivities--and these buses were provided by the universities, although the students were charged of course.

What irritates me is how all of these thousands of Chinese were lumped together as wanting to incite a riot or something, which is ridiculous. Frankly, if I knew that an American consulate was providing free transport for its citizens to attend such an event, I'd be glad about it. I wish some of my expat countrymen would show an ounce of patriotism.

And let's not forget that the use of propaganda among Asians is generally seen in a more positive light than in the West.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And let's not forget that the use of propaganda among Asians is generally seen in a more positive light than in the West.


Maybe. But probably not when the propaganda is coming from a foreign country, especially one viewed as a regional rival.
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bookemdanno wrote:
I wish some of my expat countrymen would show an ounce of patriotism.



am not sure what you mean by this - I for one, denounce Bush and his cronies as war criminals as often as possible, at least once a day.

how much more patriotic can one be?? Laughing Laughing
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wish some of my expat countrymen would show an ounce of patriotism.


I'm also curious what this sentence means, especially in light of the topic of this thread. Are Westerners supposed to rally to the defence of the Chinese?
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bookemdanno



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead:

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am not sure what you mean by this - I for one, denounce Bush and his cronies as war criminals as often as possible, at least once a day.

how much more patriotic can one be??


Isn't Moosehead some lame Canadian beer? If so, that might explain the snarky reply.

Ya-Ta Boy:

Are Westerners supposed to rally to the defence of the Chinese?

No, not rally; just recognize the utter hypocrisy in the Korean mainstream media's response to the incident, and perhaps to dislodge the xenophobic mindset of Korean co-workers over a beer (no soju swill, please).
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moosehead



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigh, I regret the day I chose the username Moosehead -

the deal is, it has nothing to do with beer, and I'm American - I don't drink much so it never even occurred to me people would confuse the two - the name is in reference to something else entirely unrelated - long story - but it's actually about moose (the real ones)
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Grab the Chickens Levi



Joined: 29 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it just a tempest in a teapot that blew out with the Olympic torch when it was extinguished?


Sorry Enid, but was that really neccessary lol Very Happy
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Rum Jungle



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
When we discussed the issue in class (adult students) the two main responses were:

a) It happened because Korea is small and weak compared to China. If Korea were stronger, Chinese would respect them and obey the laws.

b) There was a lot of sympathy for Tibet. Japan colonized Korea and China has colonized Tibet.

My perception is that the average Korean is susceptible to being stirred up against any foreign nation, whether it be the US, Japan or China, if the issue is presented 'properly'.


Old news now but the torch relay went off with no problems in Australia. Busloads of Chinese students arrived in Canberra courtesy of the Chinese Embassy and Consulates. Not much trouble.
Your Korean students sound lame, saying that Korea is weak and China is strong when we know that Korea has thousands of riot police, anti-demostration troops etc. A few extra cops were brought into Canberra and that was enough to maintain order.
Korean sympathy for Tibet, never heard of it before but maybe it exists.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Korean sympathy for Tibet, never heard of it before but maybe it exists.


Well...

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WASHINGTON -- South Koreans are more critical of China's Tibet policy than citizens of other countries in Asia and the West, according to poll results released Tuesday.

Eighty-four percent of South Koreans said they agree with the critics who demand that Tibet should have autonomy and be allowed to preserve its traditional culture and that the Dalai Lama be permitted to return, the poll conducted by WorldPublicOpinion.org said.

The average among all respondents was 64 percent.

The survey was conducted in six countries -- South Korea, France, England, India, Indonesia and the U.S. -- before the recent protests and violence in Tibet. In South Korea, the poll was taken in telephone interviews of 600 people on Feb. 11-12. The polling in other countries was held Jan 18-Feb. 29, with the margin of error ranging from 3.1 to 4.1 percent.


How deep this sympathy actually runs is another question.

http://tinyurl.com/25dfgs
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