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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Anti Americanism in Korea. |
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| I'd blame the export of junk american telivision shows and soulless celebrities/pop "artists" personally....but there might be more to it than that. |
Ironically, that's the crap they love about America!
I hate how America is blamed for destroying ancient, foreign cultures and "forcing" it's Hollywood culture on the rest of the world. No one wants to admit that most of these countries are more than willing to toss out grandpa's "culture" and replace it with "Die Hard" and Big Macs. Now that's what I call winning the hearts and minds. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Anti Americanism in Korea. |
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| SirFink wrote: |
| bovinerebel wrote: |
| I'd blame the export of junk american telivision shows and soulless celebrities/pop "artists" personally....but there might be more to it than that. |
Ironically, that's the crap they love about America!
I hate how America is blamed for destroying ancient, foreign cultures and "forcing" it's Hollywood culture on the rest of the world. No one wants to admit that most of these countries are more than willing to toss out grandpa's "culture" and replace it with "Die Hard" and Big Macs. Now that's what I call winning the hearts and minds. |
Two different things. Not everything america produces is awful , but the trend is seriously on the rise. Sex and the city ? The drew carry show ? American pie ? All these reality shows ? Do you think these things endear you to others as thoughful , intelligent human beings ? |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Anti Americanism in Korea. |
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| bovinerebel wrote: |
| SirFink wrote: |
| bovinerebel wrote: |
| I'd blame the export of junk american telivision shows and soulless celebrities/pop "artists" personally....but there might be more to it than that. |
Ironically, that's the crap they love about America!
I hate how America is blamed for destroying ancient, foreign cultures and "forcing" it's Hollywood culture on the rest of the world. No one wants to admit that most of these countries are more than willing to toss out grandpa's "culture" and replace it with "Die Hard" and Big Macs. Now that's what I call winning the hearts and minds. |
Two different things. Not everything america produces is awful , but the trend is seriously on the rise. Sex and the city ? The drew carry show ? American pie ? All these reality shows ? Do you think these things endear you to others as thoughful , intelligent human beings ? |
Pompous git. Big Bro came from Europe -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28TV_series%29
Also, reality tv has been going since the 1950's -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tv
Though it has become more dumbed down.
The worst aspects of Americanisation (coming from one of the first countries to feel it' effects - the UK) are the 'fast and convenient food' industry, absolutely destroyed traditional cooking and recipies and along with the whole 'covenience' industries such as supermarkets ruined local communties, distanced people from each other as daily ties forged by business interactions that used to bond communities became unravelled and marked the way for disenfrachisement....
Ah well, I'd rather be doing this than be a coal miner Maggie... |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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You know, when I was growing up in America, we had Boy Scouts. And one of the main courses was Imperialization Training. This is what we did. Most of us would dress up in our Boy Scout uniforms, and one or two of us would dress up in rags. Then we'd build a full-size supermarket on some deserted patch of farmland in the country. Well, the Boy Scout uniformed ones would. The rag-wearers would just gawk.
When we got done, we'd take out our Boy Scout sidearms and walk over to the raggy ones. We'd all take turns holding a gun to their head and tell them, "You'll take this supermarket and like it ragboy, or I'll shoot you with the gun I have to your head." Then we'd give them the keys to the front door.
For the next week we'd go door to door and collect canned goods, dry cereal, milk, and other supermarket foods. We had them delivered to the supermarket, and would charge them extremely affordable prices for these bulk goods. We'd station one or two Boy Scouts inside the management cubicle to make sure the ragboys sold the goods to everyone for affordable prices. And then we'd cackle. Oh man would we cackle. We actually had international businessmen who would visit our Boy Scout troop to teach professional cackling. One guy even threw in a greedy hand-rubbing session for free.
A few years later, in order to get another merit badge, we'd follow up with another practice session where the same guys would dress up again as the rag-people and we'd go to check to see if we had completely destroyed their improvised indigenous culture or not. We would only get a merit badge if it was completely gone.
This goes to show that America trains its children to destroy cultures in an Imperialistic manner. The only choice is to set up some sort of anti-boy scout league in your home country, before its too late! |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| mateomiguel wrote: |
You know, when I was growing up in America, we had Boy Scouts. And one of the main courses was Imperialization Training. This is what we did. Most of us would dress up in our Boy Scout uniforms, and one or two of us would dress up in rags. Then we'd build a full-size supermarket on some deserted patch of farmland in the country. Well, the Boy Scout uniformed ones would. The rag-wearers would just gawk.
When we got done, we'd take out our Boy Scout sidearms and walk over to the raggy ones. We'd all take turns holding a gun to their head and tell them, "You'll take this supermarket and like it ragboy, or I'll shoot you with the gun I have to your head." Then we'd give them the keys to the front door.
For the next week we'd go door to door and collect canned goods, dry cereal, milk, and other supermarket foods. We had them delivered to the supermarket, and would charge them extremely affordable prices for these bulk goods. We'd station one or two Boy Scouts inside the management cubicle to make sure the ragboys sold the goods to everyone for affordable prices. And then we'd cackle. Oh man would we cackle. We actually had international businessmen who would visit our Boy Scout troop to teach professional cackling. One guy even threw in a greedy hand-rubbing session for free.
A few years later, in order to get another merit badge, we'd follow up with another practice session where the same guys would dress up again as the rag-people and we'd go to check to see if we had completely destroyed their improvised indigenous culture or not. We would only get a merit badge if it was completely gone.
This goes to show that America trains its children to destroy cultures in an Imperialistic manner. The only choice is to set up some sort of anti-boy scout league in your home country, before its too late! |
What a bore.
Whereas it wasn't everyday citizens that both imported and accepted the commercialisation and the conenience based industries I mentioned, rather the govts and the people in big businesses from both ends. No one is accusing the everyday citizen of America for Americanisation, you had very little to do with any of the good or bad things associated with it....
Secondly, its funny how in that very same vein of thought, some people would be like 'well WE weren't responsible for this, you people didn't exactly turn Maccy D away....' They'd be the first to say shite like 'WE are giving democracy to Iraq etc... WE are giving Afghanni women rights etc....
Too many people can't avoid simplification and polarisation. |
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ds_fan
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
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ah to be fair its about time they began to understand the bad ways of the yanks.
look around you, the place is so americanised its incredible, fast food joints everywhere, big lanes, basically a cross between america and japan.
You have to understand my anger towards the americans see, well its going to result in persecution soon. They want me to teach in an american accent...........................  |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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ah to be fair its about time they began to understand the bad ways of the yanks.
look around you, the place is so americanised its incredible, fast food joints everywhere, big lanes, basically a cross between america and japan.
You have to understand my anger towards the americans see, well its going to result in persecution soon. They want me to teach in an american accent........................... |
Lol I guess your only option is to go and have fun with it.
Speak in a ridiculously exaggerated accent (NY Jewish neurotic ala Woody Allen, Southern Texan drawl, Californian uprising talk that sounds like everything is you know, like a question...?)
Then when your manager complains, explian that YOU are not American and this is what you've seen on tv and is the only American Accent you know.
They'll probably then let you revert back to your own accent. If not another good laugh could be that you complain that this is the only American Accent you know, but you would be willing for him / her to teach you a better one... ha ha, now THAT would be a scene I'd like to be a fly on the wall to....
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howie2424
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Interesting analysis of US-Korea relations from the Joong Ang Ilbo Apr. 22. Might be worth a read to those interested in this thread.
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As a person who has studied Korea-U.S. relationships, I am deeply impressed by the results of the summit meeting at Camp David, Maryland. The changes in Korea-U.S. relations are like a person growing from an infant into an adult. The birth of South Korea was helped by the victory of the United States, and the Allies, in World War II. North Korea came under the control of the Soviet Union while South Korea, fortunately, came under the control of the United States, to whom we owe a great deal our prosperity and democracy, although we shouldn�t forget that former generations shed sweat and blood to achieve freedoms we enjoy today. Had it not been for the United States, Korea would be a different country today.
Korea, in its infantile state, was like a baby constantly crying for milk. As the country fell into ruin during war, the biggest concern of the Korean government was how much aid it would get from the United States. People of my own generation have sad memories about aid products that we were given by the United States. From the 1950s till the mid- 1960s, U.S. aid accounted for 10 percent of Korea�s gross national product. As for national security, Korea was entirely dependent on the United States in the name of the Mutual Defense Treaty. The relations between the two countries were like those between a parent and a child.
In his book �The Country, the Revolution and I� the late President Park Chung Hee wrote that Korea was an independent country, but in reality it only controlled 48 percent of itself; the United States had a 52 percent stake in decision-making. Park concluded that Korea had no choice but to depend on the United States. After infancy, Korea tried to stand on its own two feet, an era that marked industrialization. The United States was the biggest consumer of our products, importing 50 percent of our products, such as shoes, color television sets, photo albums and toys. Until the mid 1980s, 25 percent of our 3.5 million workforce worked in manufacturing industries that exported goods to the United States. As a result, the United States started to talk about curbing imports from Korea. The Super 301 provision of the U.S. Trade Act worried Korea.
Overcoming these hardships, Korea achieved economic growth. As the country grew, it encountered puberty and, in turn, defiance.The past decade was such a period. It may be a natural course to becoming an adult. A president of Korea even said, �What�s wrong with being a little anti-American�? He tried to escape the U.S. grasp and even declared it would play a role balancing powers in the Northeast Asian region. But this was too soon. None of the superpowers in the area would allow Korea to take such a role because Korea was not yet fully grown.
It seems Korea is now reaching adulthood and no longer acting in defiance and for no reason, like a troubled teenager. Korea can now take care of itself and can understand what�s going on around it. The period of maturity is leading to a strategic alliance with the United States. The reason why the Korea-U.S. relationship hasn�t deteriorated but can be restored and expanded is that the two countries have shared the past 60 years of history. In the national interest, Korea needed the United States and the United States needed Korea. Because of this, we went through some bad days, waiting for better days to come. The experience has shaped who we are today.
Some Koreans worry that the outcomes of the recent summit meeting could put pressure on Korea. But such thinking is a form of paranoia. The logic that most problems in Korea stem from the United States involvement might serve as an excuse but it doesn�t help strengthen the country. We can achieve little if we only pass on responsibility to others, instead of assuming them ourselves. After all, the biggest flaw of the periphery theory is to blame someone else for our own problems. Becoming a grown-up means carrying out your duties and taking responsibility. If some people in Korea still want to depend on the United States, the country can�t become a partner in the truest sense of the word. It won�t be a partnership of equals.
*The writer is the vice publisher and chief editor of the editorial page of the JoongAng Ilbo.
by Moon Chang-keuk |
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2888916 |
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