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Another twist on the God debate...from Einstein
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friendoken



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Another twist on the God debate...from Einstein Reply with quote

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080513/world/britain_religion_science_jews_einstein

So, what does everybody think? Does God exist? Are Jews the chosen ones?

I am a non secularist, but I also have beliefs that seem juxtaposed to such views. I believe in reincarnation, life elsewhere in the universe and some of it more advanced than us, I also believe that something does happen when we die. I think maybe a parallel universe. It can be very confusing at times. Certainly worth a spirited debate, minus the childish remarks of course. (I hope they don't appear here.)
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Underwaterbob



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm kind of surprised to see Einstein take such a hard stance. His argument against quantum mechanics was that he thought god didn't "play dice with the universe". I wonder if the advent of quantum mechanics instead made him reject his faith.
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Vagrantlest



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope for something afterward as the idea of nothingness is obviously scary. Though I cant say I believe in god, I just dont and it really cant change.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You come from nothing, you go back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!
...so always look on the bright side of life....
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- Actually, more important questions to ask is "why" God created the universe and "what" our constitutional position is in it.

Einstein probably read one of the many editions of the Gita that lacked spiritual potency due to speculative commentary by materially motivated authors.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:

Einstein probably read one of the many editions of the Gita that lacked spiritual potency due to speculative commentary by materially motivated authors.


Yeah, that must be it.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a sign of genius to simultaneously hold contradictory views- which are both equally true. That is the nature of the universe. But people always want easy absolutes to base their lives on. Hence atheism.
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Einstein has the same position towards God as me. He completely disbelieved in God as dictator, disbelieved in afterlife, but subscribed to naturalistic pantheism, particularly with respect to abstract entities such as laws of nature and mathematical phenomena. Professor Hawking also refers to "God" as "a series of mathematical equations".

Abstract, rational phenomena that governs as well as merely is naturally lends itself to some kind of theism, but not celestial despotism, not divine rewards and punishments, not God-men like Jesus and not chosen people like the Jews.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be off here, but I don't think there is a God. However, I think the Jews may be the chosen people, because, who else? I mean, since there is no god, everything is permissible. Like, this morning, I didn't eat my kimchi, but put it down my shorts instead. I mean, why not?
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uberscheisse



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vagrantlest wrote:
I hope for something afterward as the idea of nothingness is obviously scary. Though I cant say I believe in god, I just dont and it really cant change.


embrace that. once you do, it's liberating and you'll enjoy life more. one less thing to worry about, really.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should we be afraid of Nothing, or do we have Nothing to fear?

I guess Nothing matters, so Nothing is meaningful.

Still, if I were Nothing before I was born, why wouldn't I fear that as I would fear the Nothing I may become? Should I fear that I ever was?

Or, maybe Nothing is a grammatical game, not real.

Nothing is not real.

(Crap! There it isn't again!)

Maybe the mind isn't cut out for this game which is only a consequence of the mind--an illusion.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should we be afraid of Nothing, or do we have Nothing to fear?

I guess Nothing matters, so Nothing is meaningful.

Still, if I were Nothing before I was born, why wouldn't I fear that as I would fear the Nothing I may become? Should I fear that I ever was?

Or, maybe Nothing is a grammatical game, not real.

Nothing is not real.

(Crap! There it isn't again!)

Maybe the mind isn't cut out for this game which is only a consequence of the mind--an illusion.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should we be afraid of Nothing, or do we have Nothing to fear?

I guess Nothing matters, so Nothing is meaningful.

Still, if I were Nothing before I was born, why wouldn't I fear that as I would fear the Nothing I may become? Should I fear that I ever was?

Or, maybe Nothing is a grammatical game, not real.

Nothing is not real.

(Crap! There it isn't again!)

Maybe the mind isn't cut out for this game which is only a consequence of the mind--an illusion.
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should we be afraid of Nothing, or do we have Nothing to fear?

I guess Nothing matters, so Nothing is meaningful.

Still, if I were Nothing before I was born, why wouldn't I fear that as I would fear the Nothing I may become? Should I fear that I ever was?

Or, maybe Nothing is a grammatical game, not real.

Nothing is not real.

(Crap! There it isn't again!)

Maybe the mind isn't cut out for this game which is only a consequence of the mind--an illusion.
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah! My computer freaked!

maybe it's. . . .SATAN?
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