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Another Korean American AKA the hijacked thread
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tokki wrote:
It doesnt take a great soldier to push the button to drop a smart bomb. The jets practically fly themselves. American soldiers are only so effective due to their technical edge. Look at what happened in Mogadishu when your elite soldiers went in. Got their asses handed to them by a bunch of untrained rebels with rifles. Those guys were teenagers and yet still kicked the asses of your marines.


Walked into a hostile zone with an entrenched, experienced enemy who outnumbered them 100 to 1, and they managed to walk out with a surprisingly high kill ratio while at the same time suffering a low level of casualties in a scenario that one would have expected total elimination of the force when outnumber by such a margin.

What more does it take to impress? Walking on water?
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tokki wrote:
Look at what happened in Mogadishu when your elite soldiers went in. Got their asses handed to them by a bunch of untrained rebels with rifles. Those guys were teenagers and yet still kicked the asses of your marines.


Firstly, they weren't marines; they were Rangers backing up the Delta Force on a snatch & grab raid (that they successfully executed, I might add). Secondly, 18 of our dead versus over a thousand of theirs isn't what I'd call getting your ass kicked.

Third, you need to get a new tune, Tokki.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:22 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

I believe the US does have manpower and technology. It is cool that they are volunteers. I do think that is important.

I think the weakness of the US army is in its lack of diversity within the how...what happens when that guy gets shot?

Laugh if you want, but the Canadian army...they may not have numbers, or technology, but each soldier gets a very broad range of training.

In 3 years I could operate 7 different weapons and use a radio too. Other things too.
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:30 am    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:

In 3 years I could operate 7 different weapons and use a radio too. Other things too.


I was just an average grunt. I can operate a .50 cal, an M-16, a SAW, an M-60, an M-203 grenade launcher, and the 9mm pistol. I also know how to operate a radio, have taken medic classes where you have to give other soldiers an IV (and they you), learn how to stop sucking chest wounds, tourniquets, etc.

And I'm not unique by any means.
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe, during the Boer War in South Africa, do you know the biggest cause of casualties for Australian troops?

Enemy fire? Nope.

Friendly fire then? Nope.

Dysentry? Closer.

Venereal Disease. Yep. I don't know whether to be proud or not of this fact, but it does make you smile. I guess the flesh trade over in Africa did quite well... :)

I've read multiple recollections over conflicts involving Australian troops, especially pre-Vietnam, and it paints quite an interesting picture. Soldiers had a strong disdain for authority and took every chance to take the piss out of their British officers. No real discipline and just a general pain in the arse. Not very good soldiers. But it was a well documented fact from both sides that Australian troops were one of the best fighters on the fronts.

And like Hank said, our SAS are stupidly hardarsed. I think they should have a suffix 'H' for 'Hardarse' to distinguish themselves from their British brethren.

2c again. :)

jae.
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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mo wrote:
maxx power, I think you'll find American soldiers are widely regarded as poor soldiers by numerous miltary organisations. They may have the best manpower numbers and technology, but they have poor soldiery


JESSICA LYNCH
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Mr. Pink wrote,

Wonder if that is the same guy that was posted about earlier on this forum.

They are two different people. The other one was 34 and lived much longer in Korea. He was working in a company. This person (Chun) is 24 and recently came to Korea to teach English.


AHh...I wonder if there is any connection with the recent string of Korean-Americans getting hit up to do military and the recent trend of immigration to deport all illegals. Could it be the government is getting off their butts?

EDIT:

How about getting back on topic...or should this thread be split between a Korean American getting screwed and all the pro/cons of the US military?


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Arthur Fonzerelli



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hank Scorpio wrote:
As far as Mo's saying that the US produces bad soldiers; I call BS. We produce professional, motivated troops, no doubt about it. I have issues with the way we've weenied up training and softened up basic in particular, but we still produce good soldiers.

Besides which, being a good soldier and being a good fighter are two vastly different things. Often the worst soldiers are the best fighters, and vice versa. There are countless stories in the American military about Medal of Honor winners later getting busted for petty criminality. Snuffy Smith was a horrible, horrible soldier, but he still put something like 3 german machine gun nests out of comission and held off a charge with a friggin' pistol. He was promoted to sergeant, awarded the MOH, and a month later was busted down to private for getting drunk and stealing a jeep.


You're joking right????

Most of the american military is made up brainless space cadets that had no other choice in life but to join one branch of the service....

Brainless Jessica Lynch is the TYPICAL soldier in the Americn military.... She had no other freakin' options in life (college) so she slips into the army (who will take ANYONE with a heartbeat)...

The best soldiers are those soldiers dumb enough to obey every order from their commander's mouth without question. THINKING is discouraged as a soldier...
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:
THINKING is discouraged as a soldier...


Apparently your parents, teachers, and mentors weren't too keen on instilling that attribute into you, either.
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helly



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: WORLDWIDE

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think (but not sure) that the age limit on the Korean draft is 35.

I have a good friend who had the exact same situation as this Mr. Chun. Came to Korea, filled out the exemption forms, got notice the next week.

Another friend (kyopo) was on some obscure visa (not f4) to avoid military.

When I got married, my father-in-law was demanding that I become a Korean citizen. The only way we were able to convince him otherwise without conflict (I would never have done it but stating that would cause conflict) was to tell him that if I became a Korean citizen, I would have to do military service. Discussion over.
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Mr. Kalgukshi



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Location: Here or on the International Job Forums

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Korean American; Cannot Leave Korea Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:

"Chun entered the country on an E-2 visa, a one-year work permit visa given to foreigners working as English instructors, and claims to have heard nothing about his Korean citizenship or the military service until he tried to get a F-4 visa, a two-year residential visa given to only ethnic Koreans."

Mr. Kalgukshi now writes: He tried to take advantage of a program (F-4) in Korea which discriminates against other U.S. citizens not of ethnic Korean heritage.

He is in his present predicament because of his desire to be in Korea and receive preferential treatment based on his ethnicity. He is about to find out what this really means for most Korean males.

This is nothing new. People have been warned about this for years. In fact, I have, on more than one occasion, cautioned readers as to the possibility of this type of situation occuring.

Bottom line: He is Korean. He is in their country. He is their citizen. He will be their soldier.

He probably could have avoided all of this had he been satisfied with just being another U.S. citizen in Korea. He was not. He wanted to be treated in a special way. He is about to be treated in a very special way.
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Korean American; Cannot Leave Korea Reply with quote

Mr. Kalgukshi wrote:

He probably could have avoided all of this had he been satisfied with just being another U.S. citizen in Korea. He was not. He wanted to be treated in a special way. He is about to be treated in a very special way.


I hadn't thought of it that way, but yeah, he tried to get over and it bit him. Too bad, so sad.
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lush72



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arthur Fonzerelli wrote:

Most of the american military is made up brainless space cadets that had no other choice in life but to join one branch of the service....

Brainless Jessica Lynch is the TYPICAL soldier in the Americn military.... She had no other freakin' options in life (college) so she slips into the army (who will take ANYONE with a heartbeat)...

The best soldiers are those soldiers dumb enough to obey every order from their commander's mouth without question. THINKING is discouraged as a soldier...


Can you prove your statements? I think you�re just mad because when you went to the recruiters they laughed your candy ass right out of the office! What is wrong with you? Did another G.I. take your girl again? Please try not to project your own self-loathing and inadequacies on the U.S. Soldiers. You talk a lot of smack about the US- Why not just get Korean citizenship? Hmmm? Why?
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lush72



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: I am Penalty Kick!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: WTF? Reply with quote

helly wrote:
When I got married, my father-in-law was demanding that I become a Korean citizen. The only way we were able to convince him otherwise without conflict (I would never have done it but stating that would cause conflict) was to tell him that if I became a Korean citizen, I would have to do military service. Discussion over.


What an arrogant father-in-law you have. I know Koreans often say bonehead nationalistic things but this really takes the cake. How utterly racist of him. Can you imagine the situation reversed? Yuck!

Thank God I have rational in-laws.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: WTF? Reply with quote

lush72 wrote:
helly wrote:
When I got married, my father-in-law was demanding that I become a Korean citizen. The only way we were able to convince him otherwise without conflict (I would never have done it but stating that would cause conflict) was to tell him that if I became a Korean citizen, I would have to do military service. Discussion over.


What an arrogant father-in-law you have. I know Koreans often say bonehead nationalistic things but this really takes the cake. How utterly racist of him. Can you imagine the situation reversed? Yuck!

Thank God I have rational in-laws.


Maybe helly is an ethnic Korean.

Non-ethnic Korean Korean citizens are exempted from military service.
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