| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
MrsSeoul
Joined: 31 May 2007
|
 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
EDIT
Last edited by MrsSeoul on Wed May 21, 2008 5:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
So they're going to pair up a US uni student (who's never taught) with a Korean uni student (who's never taught) and throw them in an elementary school class together.
I can see some little demons licking their chops. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| VanIslander wrote: |
| captain kirk wrote: |
| It'll shut down the hagwons |
My friend, quite the opposite. It'll invade the public schools and make tuition-paying ajumma more concerned than ever about the quality of learning at the hagwon: "Does the waygook have a degree? No?" *ajumma walks out*
Koreans value education a lot and they express their values with their man won.
Letting anybody with a high school education teach in Korea only increases the value of university degrees to the competitive hagwons. |
While I **probably** will never work at a hagwan, and I don't dispute you have a good one and they are out there, I concur-it's going to be a gold mine for the private sector.
Of course, if President and all the other Lee's were interested in getting a fluent populace within a generation, you'd be making money doing privates.
Of course, you and nobody else will be making any money doing privates.
Privates are illegal. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| VanIslander wrote: |
My friend, quite the opposite. It'll invade the public schools and make tuition-paying ajumma more concerned than ever about the quality of learning at the hagwon: "Does the waygook have a degree? No?" *ajumma walks out*
Koreans value education a lot and they express their values with their man won.
Letting anybody with a high school education teach in Korea only increases the value of university degrees to the competitive hagwons. |
Uhhh... yes, but this is Korea. They'll probably just lie, so the customers won't know who has a degree and who doesn't. And in the end, popularity and appearance will win out.
Then again, given 'how old are you?' is every student's favorite question, the lie could easily be exposed... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| VanIslander wrote: |
My friend, quite the opposite. It'll invade the public schools and make tuition-paying ajumma more concerned than ever about the quality of learning at the hagwon: "Does the waygook have a degree? No?" *ajumma walks out*
Koreans value education a lot and they express their values with their man won.
Letting anybody with a high school education teach in Korea only increases the value of university degrees to the competitive hagwons. |
Uhhh... yes, but this is Korea. They'll probably just lie, so the customers won't know who has a degree and who doesn't. And in the end, popularity and appearance will win out.
Then again, given 'how old are you?' is every student's favorite question, the lie could easily be exposed... |
But then Koreans are so clueless at guessing ages that it might be too hard to tell. On one trivia game I asked my students 'How old is Britney Spears?' and got answers ranging from 19 to 32. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Location: I drink therefore I am!
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It seems to imply that urban public schools will have teachers with at a minimum bachelors degree while rural schools have teachers without degrees? I notice there is no mention of minimum number of earned university credits or grade average.
Are rural Korean families going to accept this? Why don't they just pay teachers a bonus to work in the boondocks? The recruiting costs and high turnover is going to be problematic. What percentage of 20-21 year old teachers will likely finish a contract? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ytuque wrote: |
It seems to imply that urban public schools will have teachers with at a minimum bachelors degree while rural schools have teachers without degrees? I notice there is no mention of minimum number of earned university credits or grade average.
Are rural Korean families going to accept this? Why don't they just pay teachers a bonus to work in the boondocks? The recruiting costs and high turnover is going to be problematic. What percentage of 20-21 year old teachers will likely finish a contract? |
You know, sadly some rural parents will still be happy with it. I remember talking with two mothers (who know enough English to carry on a simple conversation) who were telling me how happy they are that the elementary schools in our district have FTs now. Great, I thought, that's wonderful to hear. But I explained to them that when there's only one FT at a school of 500 there's really very little that he can do to improve their English substantially. They said they weren't really worried about that; they just wanted their kids to be able to interact with foreigners and feel more comfortable around them. While that's nice, it also sort of disappoints me that they weren't eager to see how much FTs could actually improve the English teaching here.
I feel lucky in that my school really does show me that they want a 'teacher', but I often get the impression that our school district just wants 'foreigners'. Unfortunately it seems some parents agree with this sentiment. I often get the impression that some K-parents would be just as happy with 10-year-old white playmates. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ytuque wrote: |
It seems to imply that urban public schools will have teachers with at a minimum bachelors degree while rural schools have teachers without degrees? I notice there is no mention of minimum number of earned university credits or grade average.
Are rural Korean families going to accept this? Why don't they just pay teachers a bonus to work in the boondocks? The recruiting costs and high turnover is going to be problematic. What percentage of 20-21 year old teachers will likely finish a contract? |
Rural schools are actually more difficult to work in. There's more of a chance that the Korean teacher is either old or inexperienced. The students are much lower in their speaking ability. Also schools that are having to implement these kinds of programs for the first time are most likely to make lots of mistakes. Like Head Teacher Kim is busy with paper work this week. Lets let our Rookie conversation teacher teach free talking
to the kiddies. No need for a textbook or any form of support just put them all in the Science room and see what happens. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| When did Koreans care about the quality of education? All they really care about is the bottom line and to appease the boss and netizens. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Ramen wrote: |
| When did Koreans care about the quality of education? All they really care about is the bottom line and to appease the boss and netizens. |
I'm fairly sure most Koreans care about their kids being properly educated. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Ramen wrote: |
| When did Koreans care about the quality of education? All they really care about is the bottom line and to appease the boss and netizens. |
I'm fairly sure most Koreans care about their kids being properly educated. |
Yes, I agree that parents do. But what I meant to say is "Korean education institution." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I always thought the E2 visa requirements were arbitrary, and this proves it.
Immigration Official thinking: Foreigners need to be passport holders from a member of The Great Seven Countries and have a degree in anything, even something unrelated to English or teaching.
And what if they don't have a degree? Well then they're not qualified to teach. Oh, unless they'll work for less money. Then it's okay.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Ramen wrote: |
| When did Koreans care about the quality of education? All they really care about is the bottom line and to appease the boss and netizens. |
Parents care, but they're pretty clueless about what either Korean or foreign teachers can and can't, and should and shouldn't, do when it comes to English. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I hope that they at least bus these kids around to some cities. Heaven forbid 400 people go back to their home countries thinking that Korea is at the level of rural districts. Cringe as you see the M.A.S.H. stereotype perpetuated. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TBirdMG
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: SF, CA, USA
|
| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Today was first that I had heard or seen of this new TALK Program via the job posting here on Dave's, so I wonder how successful the Program will be if the application genuine deadline is June 15th. Given the time required to process the appropriate visa (is it a C class or E class, as the TALK Program offers 6- and 12- month options?), they may end up with all of 11 participants. Keep in mind, all applicants STILL need to process their application, get interviewed, and request a criminal background check, university transcripts, etc....
So we may be hearing about extended deadlines, and then the acceptance of current university students from the Philippines, India, and then culinary students from the dark side of the moon. And then the Program may just be canceled or "reconsidered for future opportunities" in August/September when 6 of the 11 participants located in 'Boondocks-chong-nam-do' pull a runner when their host schools force them to teach 15 elementary classes a week without a Korean co-teacher or any sort of resources except the textbook and some chalk.
Let's see how sparkling Korea can be.... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
