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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| but I did so with the promise to myself that I would never again lower myself to their game, even if it meant losing. |
But couldn't that also be a case of cutting off your nose to spite your own face? There's principles. But there's also pragmatics.
I agree with you about it mostly being a case of property rights, etc. And not being allowed to visit your life partner while they are ill or dying in hospital is a shocking human rights abuse that has gone on for far too long. It also used to be the case for men and women in 'common law' marriages, I remember. Though I assume that's changed in the US too? They'd be living together for decades, and then the law would treat them as if they were strangers. Stupid and quite cruel. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| dogshed wrote: |
| Get rid of all marriage laws. Marriage belongs in the church. |
Absolutely. Make "marriage" a purely religiious act. Which would mean, of course, that "marriage" confers no legal, financial or social "rights."
That is, when you die, your "spouse" has no more legal right to your assets than any stranger on the street; since there is no legal contract involved, there is no such thing as common property, unless the "married" couple has made separate, legally binding arrangements for this.
Your "spouse" has no hospital visitation rights should you fall ill.
You gain no tax advantage as a result of your church "marriage."
If you "marry" a foreign national, that person has no basis for immigration.
We can reserve all of these "benefits" of "marriage" to people who enter the legally binding contract of "civil union" and "marriage" can be a matter between you and your god(s). |
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| If protecting the institution of marriage is your primary concern, leave aside gay marriage laws and focus instead on outlawing divorce. |
Don't the Catlicks, among others, already do this? |
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Jack Meiov
Joined: 13 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Marriage is simply an acknowledgement of a bond between two people and the consequences of their union whether financial or biological. It's been dolled up in religious terms only to give it more importance. The author of that piece fails to provide a clear link between allowing homosexual marriage and a decrease in heterosexual marriages. My brain hurts after reading that. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| It was Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| mikeyboy122 wrote: |
| It was Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. |
Were Adam and Eve married? Didn't end very well anyway did it? |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| daskalos wrote: |
| but I did so with the promise to myself that I would never again lower myself to their game, even if it meant losing. |
But couldn't that also be a case of cutting off your nose to spite your own face? There's principles. But there's also pragmatics. |
You're right, but the cutting off of my nose to spite my face is always an option I hold in reserve, because sometimes my face really deserves it.
My basic point is that this was the third referendum in a decade on the same issue. Rights had been granted, revoked, restored, like some ping pong game, which finally illustrated to me the value of any right granted by any majority of voters, and I finally wearied of standing up every few years in a campaign to say, "Please, please, please can I be real person?"
*beep* that. It was/is a worse indignity than the absence of rights we're fighting for. If my fellow GLBT compatriots feel compelled to follow the ballot box, fine, more power to them. I'm just not playing in that sandbox anymore, since anything built in it is just a pile a sand. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| daskalos wrote: |
| You're right, but the cutting off of my nose to spite my face is always an option I hold in reserve, because sometimes my face really deserves it. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mikeyboy122 wrote: |
| It was Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve. |
however, had eve not nibbled on that apple, how would they have ever known that homosexual behavior was somehow wrong? i mean, they walked around nude all the time, didn't they? |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Big point |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| Big point |
well i'm usually right. |
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