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flint
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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| What do some of these protesters expect? hugs and sunshine? they had ropes tied up to the riot buses and tried to pull them out of the way. They even climbed up on the buses. More than one protester was holding a stick and throwing stuff. They could have chosen to stay in the plaza and keep protesting peacefully. When they did that the cops held back. Once they broke that rule and marched on the police. TS. Expect to get hurt. It's sad to say but the organisers of these protests are probably hoping for this result. It's great PR for them and damning for the cops and the president. |
One of them lit a bus on fire. Groups of protesters were tearing the grills off of the windows of police buses in some pictures.
What would happen to them in the west if they did that? Tried setting a police bus on fire? Pepper spray and billy clubs and time in jail.
While no one likes to hear about someone getting accidently caught up in the mayhem, mind you not knowing the exact circumstances one has to wonder if the student wasn't involved. Is the latest trend to gather among demonstrators just for shits and giggles? Pretty stupid I'd say. And I find it hard to sympathise with those who were burning a police vehicle and trying to tear others up. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| I think a very key thing to remember here is, this is what her friends say, who obviously are going to have an agenda. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| People should have the right to protest in a democracy. The Korean cops are real tough guys smacking young girls with shields and stomping on their heads. That is going way too far and they need to be disciplined. |
I'm not in Seoul so I am not familiar with the place name but the protesters were supposed to stay in a plaza. They have been doing that up until a few days ago. Once the protesters started to illegally march on the Bluehouse the police stepped in and blocked their way. IF the protesters had stayed in the plaza like they should have this wouldn't have happened. Also Korean protesters aren't non-violent. They are very violent. It is not surprising the police respond in kind. The girl made a stupid decision to get close to the action and now she is paying the price. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| People should have the right to protest in a democracy. |
Yes, they should, but even in a democracy people usually have to be 18 to vote. This might not be a bad idea for protesting at potentially violent demonstrations. What kind of people recruit minors to join protests like this? What parents would let their kids go to a protest like this when these protests have been getting more and more aggresive? Minors have a right to be heard (on some level) but society has a duty to keep them out of harm's way. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| More than a month in hospital? Sounds a bit extreme, but at least she'll have time to get her eyelids done as well as the all the other surgery then. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| People should have the right to protest in a democracy. |
No matter what country you're in, if a protest turns violent, the cops will react with force. Not sure if you keep up on the news, but in Korea there are fairly regular protests. Hell, this country protests about EVERYTHING.
Not saying it's good that the cops are smacking people around, but what are they supposed to do, sit there and smile while the protestors destroy shit? |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| no sympathy for her, she was a moron for going. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| People should have the right to protest in a democracy. The Korean cops are real tough guys smacking young girls with shields and stomping on their heads. That is going way too far and they need to be disciplined. |
They did. They were protesting peacfully and everyting was fine. Then some decided it was a good idea to march on the blue House and storm through the police line.
Shit happened after that.
Attack the police, and expect to get busted.
OP, sorry to hear about her injuries man. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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I hate to sound like my grandfather but the police are fairly tame compared to the old days. Tear gas wafting all over the city, bloody students and it was impossible to move through the Jongro/Kwanwhamun/Shinchon areas. That was in the early 90's. Things were much harsher in the 80's. Korea was the number one importer of tear gas in the world.
Anyway, it sucks that people got hurt. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| errr..double clicked |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| I guarantee more people will die in these 'peaceful' protests than will ever die from eating US beef. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| People should have the right to protest in a democracy. |
Lee Myong bakk is not about democracy. His authoritarian style is more like a return to the Park Chung Hee era. I hope they get him out before he becomes too entrenched. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
| People should have the right to protest in a democracy. |
Lee Myong bakk is not about democracy. His authoritarian style is more like a return to the Park Chung Hee era. I hope they get him out before he becomes too entrenched. |
I'm curious as to what you would have done different.
Mind explaining exactly where he went wrong, and a true democrat like yourself, would do right? |
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thiophene
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| I went to teh demonstation sunday afternoon and it was surprising nice seeing school girls picking up trash all around, seeing demonstrators sitting on the curb right sandwiched between the cops, a lot of people telling the duty people it's not their fault, they're doing a great job. At one point, a few duty guys got together with a few young guys to help pick up trash. It was acutally quite nice to see. There were a few angry drunk old men who were insanely rude and pushy who never got anythng but a blank stare and gentle resistance. Sure this is sunday and whatnot but yeah... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: |
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You have the communist supporters blown out of office, and along with the anti-LMB media, all they can do is convince the country that they're all going to die from mad cow.
We've had these yay-hoos coming to our uni, posting tables with petitions, handing out anti-LMB pins and literature, getting students riled-up -- and for what? In an obvious attempt to cause a big old mess. Who gets hurt? The kids.
I hate these f-ing meet producers and butthole former-Uri politician KJ Ill asskissers who are causing all of this to get out-of-hand.
As I tell everyone at work -- it's the rich Koreans taking advantage of the poor again for their own gain (trying to keep meat prices outrageously high). I hope Koreans start talking about how crazy-high their meat prices are compared to the rest of the world. Every single Korean is being ass-raped by Korean meat producers charging 5 times more money for the same beef as most other developed countries. The farmers aren't getting paid crap for it, either. It's the middle-men meat producers who are raking in the profits.
And they're fanning the flames of this riot business.
You jerks came to my uni. You caused my student to get all wrapped-up in your lies. She got seriously hurt. And why? So you can hide behind your profits that you rape the Korean people for at 5 times higher than the rest of the world.
May you burn in hell.
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