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Do all Korean male Jehovah's Witnesses go to jail?
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Trinitarian



Joined: 15 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Do all Korean male Jehovah's Witnesses go to jail? Reply with quote

The Jehovah's Witnesses are pacifists so I was wondering by refusing to serve in the military do the men simply go to jail and do their time there?

- Trinitarian (obviously not a Jehovah's Witness)
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told that there have been instances where some Jehovah's Witnesses have been fined and jailed for refusing to serve in the military. There have been some high profile cases in the past. Additionally, I have even heard of JW's getting in trouble for not bowing to the Korean flag or reciting the national anthem.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are non-military ways to serve. I know of at least two options that don't explicitly involve violence; serving as a police officer or teaching English out in the country. I had a friend who was going to teach out in the boonies to get out of his military service.
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teachergirltoo



Joined: 28 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. All of them do. In the past several years there have been a handful of young JW men here in Korea that have died while doing their prison time. They all serve an 18 month term. Recently there was a decision by the Courts here in Korea promising to consider letting them do alternative service rather than jail time in the future, but as of right now they all do jail time as conscientious objectors.
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Grab the Chickens Levi



Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachergirltoo wrote:
Yes. All of them do. In the past several years there have been a handful of young JW men here in Korea that have died while doing their prison time. They all serve an 18 month term. Recently there was a decision by the Courts here in Korea promising to consider letting them do alternative service rather than jail time in the future, but as of right now they all do jail time as conscientious objectors.


Wowzers. How did they die...? Any links...?
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met a Korean girl in the subway last year and she started talking to me about going to her church. She was a Jehovah's Witness and she told me that the next day, her two brothers were going off to prison because they were conscientious objectors and refused to serve in the military. Scary!
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a student in my morning hogwon class who is a Jehova witness and he says that he fully intends on going to jail if they don't make an objection for conscientious objectors.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had three students over the years who have gone to jail because they were JWs. They refused to enlist, so they were jailed for the term of their enlistment. None of them were angry about it; just sorta matter-of-fact about the situation. All of them said they'd do it again if given the choice to do over.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachergirltoo wrote:
Recently there was a decision by the Courts here in Korea promising to consider letting them do alternative service rather than jail time in the future, but as of right now they all do jail time as conscientious objectors.

I don't see why they need a court to say this. Korean men who fail the physical can do alternative service.
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teachergirltoo



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not an easy go for any person that is a conscientious objector in a Korean prison. I was just reading the Amnesty International report on how they are trying to stop the brutality in the Korean prisons by the staff against conscientious objectors. The men in my congregation said that actually only the first sixty days are the most difficult because the guards are waiting for a work assignment for them and they make them sit on the ground in the lotus position with rod straight backs for eight hours each day. If they slouch or flinch they are hit. They said after that period of time though it is easier to endure.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I understand of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, alternative service isn't acceptable either as it's still forced service to a government not instituted by God (in their view).
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
From what I understand of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, alternative service isn't acceptable either as it's still forced service to a government not instituted by God (in their view).


Having said that, Korea isn't exactly known for adhering strictly to the rules of religions they import.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
CentralCali wrote:
From what I understand of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, alternative service isn't acceptable either as it's still forced service to a government not instituted by God (in their view).


Having said that, Korea isn't exactly known for adhering strictly to the rules of religions they import.


Obviously, the Korean Jehovah's Witnesses who go to jail instead of performing mandatory national service are adhering to the rules of their religion.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:

Obviously, the Korean Jehovah's Witnesses who go to jail instead of performing mandatory national service are adhering to the rules of their religion.


Considering no one is really sure if they even HAVE the option to take a non-violent job instead of military/police service, you can't actually say that. Unless we know that they have the option and refuse it, we have no proof they're "adhering to the rules of their religion" at all.

Further, in your own post you said, "from what I understand" which quite clearly means "I think this, but I'm not sure." Considering you're not even sure about your own point, I'm curious why you would use "obviously" in your second one.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what, I'm done with you and your stalking trollish behavior. Get another hobby.
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