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Stormy
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 Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Remember 9/11 aimed at kids... |
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I was browsing a website today for certificates to download & hand out to my students when I came across these bookmarks in the 'printable' section. I don't know how I feel about them & was just wondering what others thought?
They are obviously targeted at children as that is the theme of the website, and there is nothing overtly wrong with them.... I guess I just wonder exactly what the purpose of them is. It makes me a little uncomfortable to think of children being given these & I'm not sure why. Are they meant to incite anger by propagating some sort of 'them & us' attitude? As in never forget what 'they' did to us? Interesting imagery as well...
What do you think? Is this an appropriate message for a child's bookmark?
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traveler81
Joined: 18 Mar 2008
Location: Byeongjeom, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| I don't see anything wrong with them. The third one down--global kids holding hands around the globe--definitely goes against the "us v. them" mentality. |
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Czarjorge
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| I like the overt Christian symbolism in the first one. Kind of counteracts the 'lets all be friends' vibe of the third. But what's up with the fourth one? Is the White House yelling? What are those arrows supposed to represent? Attack here? |
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cazador83
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I like the overt Christian symbolism in the first one. Kind of counteracts the 'lets all be friends' vibe of the third. But what's up with the fourth one? Is the White House yelling? What are those arrows supposed to represent? Attack here? |
first of all, it's not the white house.
i'd guess its just rays around it, like you'd see around something shiny and cool.
i see nothing wrong with the pics btw. it was a national (and international) tragedy. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see anything wrong with them either. Don't most countries have a Memorial Day-type holiday? These bookmarks are similar. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed.
How is objecting to associating the dove with the olive branch with 9/11 [offensive] again, and why?
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isak
Joined: 14 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Dude, didn’t you know? They’re making a 9/11 cartoon. It’s got a huge amount of product tie-ins. Lunch boxes, backpacks, models buildings which fall over. It’s a Saturday morning gold mine! |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't like the bookmarks. They are lame and inappropriate. 9/11 was a tragedy. Rainbows don't help people remember tragedies. Scary pictures do. There needs to be angry faces with turbans, airplanes, and crumbling buildings. Not fruity clip art. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to put the OP on the defensive, but what is the problem with these bookmarks? Teaching kids history? How is that offensive? |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| i forget... what's 9/11 again? |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Not to put the OP on the defensive, but what is the problem with these bookmarks? Teaching kids history? How is that offensive? |
I don't know. Perhaps, in many peoples mind's, the phrase "Remember 9/11" has come to be known as a rallying cry to war. A war which many people now view as folly.
While I don't disagree with teaching kids history, that specific phrase does conjur up a certain image. The same way that the phrase "mission accomplished" will never be view the same way again. A little too close to Bush and his policies I think. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| This imagery seems to teach peace (first two), friendship (third one), and patriotism (last one). I do not see any pro-war imagery here. |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I find the term "nine-eleven" offensive.
To take such an enormous, deliberate tragedy and reduce it to a trite, snappy little catch-phrase is, in my opinion, a tremendous show of disrespect to those families who lost loved ones.
But that's just my opinion. Apparently the mass media doesn't agree with me. |
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oskinny1
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I like the overt Christian symbolism in the first one. |
I like the Overt Homosexual symbolism in the second one. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| This imagery seems to teach peace (first two), friendship (third one), and patriotism (last one). I do not see any pro-war imagery here. |
Granted, the imagery is fine. I think it's the words connected to it that people may find offensive. It could just be me, but, as stated earlier, that particular phrase just conjurs up so much of what the current administration stands for.
For me it seems to say "Remember the terrorist attacks" more than "Remember those who died" or "Lest we forget" or something along those lines. I may just be splitting hairs but that is my gut feeling to the phrase "Remember 9/11!"
I mean, Americans don't say "Remember Pearl Harbour!" do you? If that had become the standard phrase, do you not think it's connotation would merely have come to imply "Remember what the Japanese did to us!" instead of remembering the lives lost at Pearl Harbour?
Just seems like more of the focus is on the "event" rather than on the people who perished in it. |
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