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Cornfed
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: That/which usage |
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This is a question that has always baffled me. When do you use "which" and when do you use "that" to join clauses? |
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KoreanAmbition

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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That which confuses you, might also confuse others.  |
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nobbyken

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: Yongin ^^
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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From A-Z of English Grammar & Usage.
Relative clauses about things:
WHICH or THAT** links two separate ideas about the same thing or things.
We join these two ideas by using which or that instead of it or they.
E.g. I'm writing about a camera. It doesn't work.
I'm writing about a camera which doesn't work properly.
(main clause) ____________ (relative clause)
**We use that commonly instead of which, especially in <speech>.
But which is used in non-defining clauses(giving extra information that is not essential for what we are talking about).
E.g. I offered to let her stay at my house, which is about twenty minutes walk from the college. |
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Dances With Wolves

Joined: 06 May 2008 Location: A galaxy far, far away!
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: That/which usage |
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Cornfed wrote: |
This is a question that has always baffled me. When do you use "which" and when do you use "that" to join clauses? |
You use "that" with restrictive clauses, and use "which" with non-restrictive clauses. |
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nobbyken

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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KoreanAmbition wrote: |
That which confuses you, might also confuse others.  |
Which doctors? |
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Thiuda

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: Re: That/which usage |
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Cornfed wrote: |
This is a question that has always baffled me. When do you use "which" and when do you use "that" to join clauses? |
Wikipedia has an interesting article on English relative clauses, which deals with this topic.
Wikipedia wrote: |
That and which
The distinction between the relative pronouns that and which, which are both used to introduce relative clauses with non-human antecedents, is a frequent point of dispute.
Of the two, only which is at all common in non-restrictive clauses. The dispute mainly concerns restrictive clauses: in normal speech and in British English that or which are both commonly used, but in formal American English it is generally recommended to use only that.
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Cornfed
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all that. It would appear to be as I thought - that there is no agreed-upon rule for using one or the other. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an example I often give my students:
"Cars that cause pollution should be banned."
"Cars, which cause pollution, should be banned."
In the above sentences, the first speaker is defining a certain set of cars (the dirty ones), but does not believe all cars should be banned. The second speaker believes all cars should be banned.
"The magazine, which I bought yesterday, was very interesting." (I just bought one magazine)
"The magazine that I bought yesterday was very interesting." (but the magazine that I bought today was shite) |
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