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What have you learned about your own country after Korea?
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reactionary wrote:
tipping, in general, is a good thing because it gives an incentive for good service. i hated it when i was a uni student.


I find the only time the service is great with most restaurants is right around the time the meal is over. Then they start thinking about the tip. I hate how they try to be your best buddy too. I don't want your friendship, just take my order, get my food while it's hot, and be invisible. Sort of like they do in Korea, with no tip. Idea
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reactionary wrote:
tipping, in general, is a good thing because it gives an incentive for good service. i hated it when i was a uni student.


That's funny. I think the opposite. I resent tipping back in the States now. I do not see an incentive when there's an expectation that servers receive at least 15%, or many will spit in your food.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
reactionary wrote:
tipping, in general, is a good thing because it gives an incentive for good service. i hated it when i was a uni student.


That's funny. I think the opposite. I resent tipping back in the States now. I do not see an incentive when there's an expectation that servers receive at least 15%, or many will spit in your food.


I'm a cheap tipper back in Canada now. Sometimes I almost forget to leave the tip. However, if we eliminated tipping at restaurants, they'd just start charging us a flat service fee, or they'd have to raise the waiter wage and pass it on to us in food prices. End of the day, I don't mind having a lever of control over the quality of the service. I don't know many other customer relationships where I have such a lever of control.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberscheisse wrote:
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Canada is boring as *beep*.


seconded, 1000-fold.


Word. It's also a land full of countless PC nonsense, very polite drivers, supermarkets full of aisle after aisle of food I actually want to eat, restaurant bills that actually make cooking at home look attractive, millions of fat, tattooed slobs who dress like truckers and cheap prostitutes, outrageous fees for any government services, and married guys who can barely even get away from their fat wives and screaming kids to spend one evening with their friend who's visiting from Korea.
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I became a lot more patriotic/country-lovin' and actually switched my political stance a lot.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Kuros wrote:
reactionary wrote:
tipping, in general, is a good thing because it gives an incentive for good service. i hated it when i was a uni student.


That's funny. I think the opposite. I resent tipping back in the States now. I do not see an incentive when there's an expectation that servers receive at least 15%, or many will spit in your food.


I'm a cheap tipper back in Canada now. Sometimes I almost forget to leave the tip. However, if we eliminated tipping at restaurants, they'd just start charging us a flat service fee, or they'd have to raise the waiter wage and pass it on to us in food prices. End of the day, I don't mind having a lever of control over the quality of the service. I don't know many other customer relationships where I have such a lever of control.


Service is still slow, because thats mostly a function of preparation. You get quick service in Chinese restaurants, and there's no expectation that you tip. I have this argument with a classmate of mine, who spent over 5 years in F&B. He thinks wait-staff are owed 20%. At least. I try very hard never to give more than 15%. He kills me off in hypos because of it. The hysteria surrounding tipping is irrational. Color me Mr. Pink.
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ernie



Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i realized that canada has great beer, weed, cigarettes, and trees!
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That we, in America, expect everyone to speak English. Those who don't are stupid.

Here, a basic knowledge of Korean will win you warmth from the people.

Here, spitting and pissing everywhere is synonymous with masculinity.

At home, pink is feminine.
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yoja



Joined: 30 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned that I was wrong in assuming that Koreans annoyed me more than people from my own culture. There are many, many more annoying and stupid people at home than I had previously realized. Twisted Evil

I learned that Korea does not have a monopoly on "saving face"--they just have a name for the concept.

I learned to appreciate the simple things in life, like stopping at Target or the drive-thru at Taco Bell or Dairy Queen, the abundance of cheese, decent bread, chocolate pudding, and ranch dressing.

I learned that we are spoiled in the US when it comes to the endless variety of consumer goods available.

I learned that people who freak out because I come within 8 inches of "almost touching" their body need to relax and concentrate on more important things that happen to them. Excuse me, I hope you can manage to recover from the horrid case of cooties that I nearly inflicted upon you. Rolling Eyes Same goes for people who stand 6 feet away from the elevator and then frown at me because I have the audacity to stand only 3 feet away. Laughing

I learned how to communicate a lot more directly and efficiently (and, I would hope, effectively).

I learned that the systems of recycling and public transportation in my local area are pathetic.

I learned that every country thinks they're the best, and the smartest.

I learned that so much of my culture is relative and seemingly arbitrary, and I learned to see beyond that, to some extent.

Good idea for a thread. Thanks, K-man.


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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew Britain was doomed a while ago. Nothing recently has made me change that view. If anything I think it's more doomed than ever.

When I turn my computer on the first page is Msn.co.uk. The first page:

*Alan 'fuking' Sugar and his Apprentice programme. "You're fired!" Brilliant!
*"Britain's got Talent" winner didn't listen to Doctor's advice to win the program. Brill! Well Done!
*Britain's coastline is disappearing! OMG. An island is getting even smaller, Sh*t Where's everyone gonna live? Holy Sh*t.
*Where are the former Big Brother housemates now? Who f*king cares? I hope they're all doing very very badly and in a great deal of pain.

See I've done it again. I despise celebrity culture and media with a passion. After watching Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe, which was mint, I feel the urge just to start complaining as soon as anything is on tv.

Being in Korea and when I was in Sweden you really notice the media fuelled paranoia in the West. It's a disgrace. So pleased not to be there.

The crazy cow thing at the moment is kinda funny considering the tactics that the media is using (a scapegoat, the Beef) as a reason to try and get people incensed about LMB. They want him gone. EVERY country's media does this, pick on a minority issue blow it up as a touch paper for a bigger issue. This whole issue has made me realise how stupidly sensitive some Yanks are. Jesus, grow up!
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The crazy cow thing at the moment is kinda funny considering the tactics that the media is using (a scapegoat, the Beef) as a reason to try and get people incensed about LMB.


At the moment: Kind of funny

though they seem to be working themselves into a frenzy and if it goes the anti american way like 2002 then it will no longer be funny.

Its also not just the americans who get targeted and so I wish they would take a step back have a cold drink and relax before they get to the stage that they refuse to let me eat in thier restaurants, spit at me in the street, run across the road to scream obscentities in my face, push, shove etc.

Well when they get to that stage it will no longer be fun and they do seem to be following the usual track of hating foriegners. It seems to happen every couple of years and I guess we are due for a big one, but still I hope they can calm down before it happens.

I guess what I learned about my country is we don't really get worked up over politics.
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ds_fan



Joined: 07 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iv realised that my country is the best one going, and will return to my country to settle down for life, dont get me wrong, i am doing what i came here for, experiencing things for a while, but the education system here sucks, the work envirnment sucks, traffic sucks, pollution sucks, everyone living in the same sized small flats sucks, and overall the attitude of koreans sucks, tbf its a facinating country to see, but i wouldnt want to live here all my life, makes me proud of my heritage, especially as they are so nationalist and proud of their country, i think i sould also be proud of mine, its also given me a slight dislike towards americans, every western influence must be an american one here, american food is considered the white mans food etc, lets you see the dangers of americanisation
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- I'm lucky as hell to be from Canada
- We're annoyingly patriotic, but at least we're not the worst. Thanks Korea.
- Tipping is retarded. Might just give it up when I go home.
- PCness is gay Cool
- Canada is beautiful
- We need more neon Wink
- Multiculturalisn actually is cool
- Canadian nightlife is not so great.
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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
uberscheisse wrote:
Temporary wrote:
Canada is boring as *beep*.


seconded, 1000-fold.


Word. It's also a land full of countless PC nonsense, very polite drivers, supermarkets full of aisle after aisle of food I actually want to eat, restaurant bills that actually make cooking at home look attractive, millions of fat, tattooed slobs who dress like truckers and cheap prostitutes, outrageous fees for any government services, and married guys who can barely even get away from their fat wives and screaming kids to spend one evening with their friend who's visiting from Korea.


That's Canada? I thought that you were describing the U.S., until you mentioned the outrageous fees for government services. Tattooed slobs, fat wives, ha-ha, classic!
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Captain Marlow



Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: darkness

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

having choices: food (even korean food if i wanted), women (i'm over the yellow fever thing), jobs (if you hate your job, you can quit and easily find another), amongst other things... honestly, i'm happy to leave korea and will never come back... the "quality of life" is lacking...
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