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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Working at 2 places on E2 |
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| If you have an E2 are you allowed to work anywhere as long as your employer agrees or only a government sponsered school such as a Public School? |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Working at 2 places on E2 |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
| If you have an E2 are you allowed to work anywhere as long as your employer agrees or only a government sponsered school such as a Public School? |
Uhm, no. If you do, it has to be on your Visa, so if you're employer tells you "it's okay" and sends you to work for another school, only do so if a Visa run is included because that's the only way it's legal.
I bet if you tried that with two hagwons, the government would just give you a big fat "no". Two public schools must be another matter, though... |
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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As of today...they must be included on your visa/ARC and agreed upon by the employer by sponsored your visa.
In September however...all that may change, and you may be able to work at multiple locations without that hassle. We'll just have to wait and see... |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| DongtanTony wrote: |
In September however...all that may change, and you may be able to work at multiple locations without that hassle. We'll just have to wait and see... |
You mean we'd actually be able to own our Visas? Could we quit without a release letter as well?
That'd be nice. Then resumes would be more important than simply existing.
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4 months left
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Working at 2 places on E2 |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| 4 months left wrote: |
| If you have an E2 are you allowed to work anywhere as long as your employer agrees or only a government sponsered school such as a Public School? |
Uhm, no. If you do, it has to be on your Visa, so if you're employer tells you "it's okay" and sends you to work for another school, only do so if a Visa run is included because that's the only way it's legal.
I bet if you tried that with two hagwons, the government would just give you a big fat "no". Two public schools must be another matter, though... |
What I mean is if my school doesn't care if I work at another place, can it only be a public school or can it be two seperate institutes as long as both agree and it is written on the visa. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Working at 2 places on E2 |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| 4 months left wrote: |
| If you have an E2 are you allowed to work anywhere as long as your employer agrees or only a government sponsered school such as a Public School? |
Uhm, no. If you do, it has to be on your Visa, so if you're employer tells you "it's okay" and sends you to work for another school, only do so if a Visa run is included because that's the only way it's legal.
I bet if you tried that with two hagwons, the government would just give you a big fat "no". Two public schools must be another matter, though... |
What I mean is if my school doesn't care if I work at another place, can it only be a public school or can it be two seperate institutes as long as both agree and it is written on the visa. |
Sure but getting it written on the Visa might be hard. Immigration might just say "no", and in fact probably will. I think the only way they'd say yes is if you were working for two physical branches of the same employer (ex: a hagwon here and a hagwon there owned by the same company). |
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Zaria32
Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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You cannot work at two hogwons... I have no idea why. I've not heard before that a second place of employment requires a visa run and the name on your visa....
The name of the second institution has to be on the back of your ARC, placed there by Immigration only, not by your boss who says "it's OK."
Your visa sponsoring school has to agree in writing and you have to work less hours at the second job than at the sponsoring institution.
Again, I've never heard before anything about a visa run or having to get a new visa. I'm not saying that it's wrong, because Korean Immigration changes rules daily, but if it's true, it's a very new rule. |
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Zaria32
Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Incognito, Immigration routinely says yes to adding a second place of work as long as all the rules are followed... |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Zaria32 wrote: |
You cannot work at two hogwons... I have no idea why. I've not heard before that a second place of employment requires a visa run and the name on your visa....
The name of the second institution has to be on the back of your ARC, placed there by Immigration only, not by your boss who says "it's OK."
Your visa sponsoring school has to agree in writing and you have to work less hours at the second job than at the sponsoring institution.
Again, I've never heard before anything about a visa run or having to get a new visa. I'm not saying that it's wrong, because Korean Immigration changes rules daily, but if it's true, it's a very new rule. |
I'm not sure I understand:
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| You cannot work at two hogwons |
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The name of the second institution has to be on the back of your ARC, placed there by Immigration only, not by your boss who says "it's OK."
Your visa sponsoring school has to agree in writing and you have to work less hours at the second job than at the sponsoring institution |
So by second institution do you mean public school , not a hogwon? |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Let me tell my story:
About a year ago I worked in the afternoons at a public school, which was my visa sponsor. Later I got offered a part time job at a adult hagwon in the mornings.
I couldn't have the public school as my sponsor and add the hagwon as a secondary place of employment; the only way to do it was to cancel my visa, get a new visa with the hagwon as my primary sponsor, and add the public school as a secondary place of employment.
You might be wondering: why are E2s only allowed to add public schools and universities to our visas? I don't know but that seems to be the rule.
Another strange one: I once had a public school as my visa sponsor and got three part time jobs at other public schools. I wanted to do it legal, so I got permission letters from my sponsor and submitted all the documents. I was told that I can only add two employers to my primary workplace.
Still naive, I asked: why? The immigration official responded "Because that's immigration law." Not satisfied I further enquired "yes, but why is that the law?" His reply was an exasperated, incredulous "I don't know!" that was said in a tone that said 'how am I supposed to know?!' |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Working at 2 places on E2 |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
| What I mean is if my school doesn't care if I work at another place, can it only be a public school or can it be two separate institutes as long as both agree and it is written on the visa. |
You CAN work at 2 academies with the advanced approval of your current boss, your new boss and immigration.
There ARE restrictions.
Your 2nd job cannot take more time than your primary.
Your 2nd job cannot pay more than your primary.
Your combined scheduled working time (not just classroom hours) cannot exceed 44 hours per week.
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Zaria32
Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz, I will certainly defer to your superior knowledge (and it clearly is superior!) but I read the regs some months ago and it listed the
Ok 2nd places to work, and if you worked at a hogwon, then a hogwon was not listed as a 2nd place.
Is my memory faulty, or did the rules change? (Faulty memory is usually the problem!) |
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Zaria32
Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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cdninkorea, I'm not at all sure, but I suspect you ran into an Immigration officer who, well, had his own take on the regs...
But then we all know Korean Immigration is genuinely bizarre, so maybe not... |
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Ut videam
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Zaria32 wrote: |
ttompatz, I will certainly defer to your superior knowledge (and it clearly is superior!) but I read the regs some months ago and it listed the
Ok 2nd places to work, and if you worked at a hogwon, then a hogwon was not listed as a 2nd place.
Is my memory faulty, or did the rules change? (Faulty memory is usually the problem!) |
The regs just say that the additional place(s) of employment has to be one of the approved types of institutions for E-2 employment.
Since a hagwon can sponsor an E-2, a hagwon is likewise eligible to be an additional place of employment. By way of contrast, a kindergarten is NOT permitted to hire an E-2, and hence is not eligible to be an additional place of employment for an E-2 status holder.
Caveat: All additional places of employment are subject to approval by Immi. It may be that they (or certain offices thereof) are in the habit of denying requests to add hagwons as additional locations. But there's nothing in the regs themselves that say a hagwon is ineligible to be an additional location for an E-2. |
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4 months left
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I phoned immigration and they said the 2nd place can only by gov't school or private school ie. foreign language school. There has been talk about changing rules but nothing in the works currently. |
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