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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Idiotic foreigners at protests Reply with quote

First, read this article. Not all foreigners are idiotic.

http://koreabeat.com/?p=1105

Second, would attending this protest on an E-2 visa be a violation of your E-2 visa, like the 2 fools in the picture who probably are on E-2s?

Third, what do you think about it?

Personally, the foreigners who don't "trust US beef" are just as silly as the Koreans who don't trust US beef due to rumors, non-facts or just "because it's cool." I wish the foreigners or the article would've mentioned why they don't trust beef.

I don't care if US beef comes here or not. I do care if people have some scientific, rational reasons for their protests. I am also a huge free-speech advocate and I think it is wrong for people on E-2 visas to be suppressed. No matter now idiotic they may be.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two English boys apparently attend an international school here. Notice how the one is giving the reverse V-sign?

They probably wanted to check things out and not miss out on any of the excitement and figured they'd throw on a couple of anti-US beef shirts so that they didn't get mistaken for Americans and lynched.
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T-dot



Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just proves the extent a guy will go through to get some A55.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Idiotic foreigners at protests Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
First, read this article. Not all foreigners are idiotic.

http://koreabeat.com/?p=1105

Second, would attending this protest on an E-2 visa be a violation of your E-2 visa, like the 2 fools in the picture who probably are on E-2s?

Third, what do you think about it?

Personally, the foreigners who don't "trust US beef" are just as silly as the Koreans who don't trust US beef due to rumors, non-facts or just "because it's cool." I wish the foreigners or the article would've mentioned why they don't trust beef.

I don't care if US beef comes here or not. I do care if people have some scientific, rational reasons for their protests. I am also a huge free-speech advocate and I think it is wrong for people on E-2 visas to be suppressed. No matter now idiotic they may be.


We are not suppressed...what are you talking about? Were that true there would be certain people heading home right now. We DO have restrictions say on praising North Korea...but those apply to the South Koreans as well. Even back home we don't have absolute free speech either.

BTW where did it say that people on E-2 visas were being suppressed...missed that point in the article?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Idiotic foreigners at protests Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
First, read this article. Not all foreigners are idiotic.

http://koreabeat.com/?p=1105

Second, would attending this protest on an E-2 visa be a violation of your E-2 visa, like the 2 fools in the picture who probably are on E-2s?

Third, what do you think about it?

Personally, the foreigners who don't "trust US beef" are just as silly as the Koreans who don't trust US beef due to rumors, non-facts or just "because it's cool." I wish the foreigners or the article would've mentioned why they don't trust beef.

I don't care if US beef comes here or not. I do care if people have some scientific, rational reasons for their protests. I am also a huge free-speech advocate and I think it is wrong for people on E-2 visas to be suppressed. No matter now idiotic they may be.


We are not suppressed...what are you talking about? Were that true there would be certain people heading home right now. We DO have restrictions say on praising North Korea...but those apply to the South Koreans as well. Even back home we don't have absolute free speech either.

BTW where did it say that people on E-2 visas were being suppressed...missed that point in the article?


I am the one who said people on E-2 visa are suppressed. We do not have the right to free-speech, free-assembly or be involved in Korean politics. We do not have the right to volunteer without immigration approval.

Now whether immigration enforces these rules is a different matter altogether, thank god they don't.
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ttompatz



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Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... I am pretty sure the German is NOT here on an English E2.
I would suspect that the others, who appear to be long timers, are probably here on F2s and not E2s but I have no way to prove or disprove it.

Attendance at the protest COULD be construed at a violation of an E2 visa under the IMMIGRATION CONTROL ACT

CHAPTER Ⅳ SOJOURN AND DEPARTURE OF FOREIGNERS
SECTION 1 Sojourn of Foreigners
Article 17 (Sojourn and Activity Scope of Foreigners)
(1) Any foreigner may sojourn in the Republic of Korea within the limit of his status of sojourn and period of sojourn.
(2) No foreigner sojourning in the Republic of Korea shall engage in any political activity.

A demonstration against the government could certainly be construed as a political activity.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of idiot foreigners at rallies: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/06/11/apparently-beef-from-cows-over-20-months-old-is-illegal-in-the-united-states/

Foreigners who go to these things are just out to win brownie points with their coworkers or to bring home something to poke on. Of course we'll stand out and the media will use us in their reports as decoration and validation, like when foreigners and symphonies go to North Korea, or when white people turn up on advertisements for hagwon.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Idiotic foreigners at protests Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
like the 2 fools in the picture who probably are on E-2s?

I'm sure I've seen Carrot Top wandering around Itaewon once or twice. Either him or his drinking-age older brother.

ttompatz wrote:
CHAPTER Ⅳ SOJOURN AND DEPARTURE OF FOREIGNERS
SECTION 1 Sojourn of Foreigners
(2) No foreigner sojourning in the Republic of Korea shall engage in any political activity.

Why the frequent comments on Dave's about E-2 visa-holders as though this law only applies to them?
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Idiotic foreigners at protests Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
First, read this article. Not all foreigners are idiotic.

http://koreabeat.com/?p=1105

Second, would attending this protest on an E-2 visa be a violation of your E-2 visa, like the 2 fools in the picture who probably are on E-2s?

Third, what do you think about it?

Personally, the foreigners who don't "trust US beef" are just as silly as the Koreans who don't trust US beef due to rumors, non-facts or just "because it's cool." I wish the foreigners or the article would've mentioned why they don't trust beef.

I don't care if US beef comes here or not. I do care if people have some scientific, rational reasons for their protests. I am also a huge free-speech advocate and I think it is wrong for people on E-2 visas to be suppressed. No matter now idiotic they may be.


We are not suppressed...what are you talking about? Were that true there would be certain people heading home right now. We DO have restrictions say on praising North Korea...but those apply to the South Koreans as well. Even back home we don't have absolute free speech either.

BTW where did it say that people on E-2 visas were being suppressed...missed that point in the article?


I am the one who said people on E-2 visa are suppressed. We do not have the right to free-speech, free-assembly or be involved in Korean politics. We do not have the right to volunteer without immigration approval.

Now whether immigration enforces these rules is a different matter altogether, thank god they don't.


We certainly have the right to free speech. And we certainly have the right to free assembly. ATEK is an example. They don't seem to be getting deported either. And what about those foreigners who came and helped clean up that oil spill a few months back? Didn't hear about any of them getting deported.

But since you claim that there are rules against foreigners having free speech or assembly...could you show us these rules? Links?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz already provided the link about no political actions. Free-speech and free-assembly falls into that category, but not all free-speech or all free-assembly does, as in the example of ATEK.

As far as volunteering goes, legally you are supposed to register with immigration and pay a 60,000 won fee. This information came after the "Busan 9" incident. Recently, with the Taean oil clean up, immigration officers said it was ok to volunteer without registering. Registration is here: http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm9.jsp

This all goes back to the law vs. what is enforced.
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I'm sure I've seen Carrot Top wandering around Itaewon once or twice.


I saw him yesterday. Cocky little ginger.
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
Quote:
I'm sure I've seen Carrot Top wandering around Itaewon once or twice.


I saw him yesterday. Cocky little ginger.


Yeah, he does seem like a bit of a young rogue judging by the photo.

Can't blame the young fella though, he's only 16 and got one thing on his mind and it ain't US beef that's fo sho.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
ttompatz already provided the link about no political actions. Free-speech and free-assembly falls into that category, but not all free-speech or all free-assembly does, as in the example of ATEK.

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How many different kinds of free-speech and free assembly are there? If you want to say that free speech and free assembly are restricted as far as political action goes...you may have a point (although ATEK might change that).

But there's a big difference between having restricted rights and not having the right at all.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans usually resent foreigners having opinions on their internal affairs.
They hate them voicing stuff about Korean politics.
They probably hate them taking part in protests even more (even if its in support of them).

if you doubt me, just mention to some coworkers that you don't like the president. Or even mention that you do. Either way, it will be "none of your business as you're not Korean".
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: Idiotic foreigners at protests Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
We do not have the right to volunteer without immigration approval.


Last year at a meeting in Busan sponsored by the Canadian Embassy, I put a direct question to the director of the Busan Immigration office: "Are we required to get approval from Immigration for volunteer work?" His answer was, "If there is no money changing hands, then it's volunteering and you do not need permission from us. If there is money involved, it's not volunteering; in that case, it's labor."
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