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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Is the Korean Won weakening more than USD? |
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I noticed that you get 100 more Won per US dollar today than you did last year which means roughly a 10% pay decrease from last year if buying dollars with your savings. I thought it was the US Dollar that was weakening, but it seems to be the other way around unless going to Europe. With Euros as you get 1 Euro to the US dollar today instead of 1.5 like a year ago. So the Euro is strengthening while most others are declining? The US dollar buys 166 Yen today while it only bought around 110 Yen last year which means either the Yen is weaking, the US dollar is strengthening or both. You get 33 baht to the dollar instead of 30 like a few months ago. It's still $2 per GBP in England like last year.
That's more Asian currency for your US dollar, but less US dollar for your Asian currency you earned. Is Asia slowing down and weakening for some reason? If so, why? Since they produce all this stuff for the whole world. I thought the trend of getting more US dollar for your Won would continue, but that isn't so. We know the US economy is in big trouble and effects the whole world and most currencies, but what is going on?
Nothing seems to be logical; it's a big cloud.
Can anyone explain what's going on? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Both the dollar and the Won have been weakening. Until last week the Korean government had a weak Won policy. This may have changed when the government decided to defend the Won in an attempt to fight the inflation caused by soaring oil and commodity prices.
There are frequent articles about this in English language Korean newspapers like the Chosun Ilbo and JoongAng Ilbo. |
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hagwonnewbie

Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Uh-yeah........The Euro buys 166 yen. The dollar buys about 106 of them. The dollar will continue to decline. The won is tied to it because of so much export to the US. The Korean overnment likes it that way.
You should see more movement of U.S. rates soon. Korean, European and the U.S. governments are all considering actions that will affect the value of their currencies. Get ready |
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bogey666

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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hagwonnewbie wrote: |
Uh-yeah........The Euro buys 166 yen. The dollar buys about 106 of them. The dollar will continue to decline. The won is tied to it because of so much export to the US. The Korean overnment likes it that way.
You should see more movement of U.S. rates soon. Korean, European and the U.S. governments are all considering actions that will affect the value of their currencies. Get ready |
if you are trying to sound "sagacious" then at least know what you are talking about.
first and foremost, the govts of the states mentioned have almost NO control of their economies and their currencies (unless they interfere with their free market economies with protectionism, etc) . Their central banks DO, but by law those central banks are independent.
the next "actions" being considered are basically hiking interest rates to ward off inflation. The higher the interest rate, (generally speaking) the stronger the currency. |
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hagwonnewbie

Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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if you are trying to sound "sagacious" then at least know what you are talking about.
first and foremost, the govts of the states mentioned have almost NO control of their economies and their currencies (unless they interfere with their free market economies with protectionism, etc) . Their central banks DO, but by law those central banks are independent.
the next "actions" being considered are basically hiking interest rates to ward off inflation. The higher the interest rate, (generally speaking) the stronger the currency. |
I think I know what I'm talking about. Most people do. You suggested that I don't. If you make a statement, you should support that. Qualify it.
What about my post was untrue in your opinion? Would you like me to quote the sources of my information? Maybe I should have said that others and myself expect the dollar to decline. Would that have sounded less sagacious?
Carefully read what I posted, and tell me what was incorrect and why. I think what you said only supported my post.
You sound like a dick. |
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bogey666

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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hagwonnewbie wrote: |
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if you are trying to sound "sagacious" then at least know what you are talking about.
first and foremost, the govts of the states mentioned have almost NO control of their economies and their currencies (unless they interfere with their free market economies with protectionism, etc) . Their central banks DO, but by law those central banks are independent.
the next "actions" being considered are basically hiking interest rates to ward off inflation. The higher the interest rate, (generally speaking) the stronger the currency. |
I think I know what I'm talking about. Most people do. You suggested that I don't. If you make a statement, you should support that. Qualify it.
What about my post was untrue in your opinion? Would you like me to quote the sources of my information? Maybe I should have said that others and myself expect the dollar to decline. Would that have sounded less sagacious?
Carefully read what I posted, and tell me what was incorrect and why. I think what you said only supported my post.
You sound like a dick. |
perhaps I was too much of a dick but this line was what did it
"..... You should see more movement of U.S. rates soon. Korean, European and the U.S. governments are all considering actions that will affect the value of their currencies. Get ready...."
sounded very cryptic and insider knowing.
I call and called bullshit.
you sound like you know something "secret". If so, please spill the beans and I'll be able to to immediately tell you if it's plausible or not.
I worked in financial markets for many years.
for starters.. there are very few things that governments do that can easily affect the value of their currencies in an open marketplace. Usually they are things done in extreme situations to ward off a speculative attack and if not backed up by specific economic adjustments, this fails (see Thailand and England under spec attack by the likes of George Soros)
by movement of US rates. what does that mean? the US dollar rate? the US interest rates? if interest rates, those are set by the Fed which is a completely independent body away from the US govt (as is the bank of england and to lesser extent the ECB)
it looks/sounds to me like the US is finally beginning to strongly jawbone on the dollar as the inflation/oil link is becoming too clear and too damaging. But that can only be bad news for Asian currencies particularly, like the yen and the baht.
The won and how it trades is something I don't really understand, since I never dealt with that market and the Korean govt (unlike the others you note) is heavily involved with manipulation of its currency, etc. |
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JerBear

Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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The Korean government doesn't want the won to get too strong as that would cause imports from Korea to be too expensive in the USA. At the same time, they don't want the won to be too week as that would make necessary imports (such as oil) to be too expensive in Korea. The balance has been to keep the won loosely pegged to the dollar at approximately 1000 won to the dollar. |
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4 months left

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Bernanke , Paulson and Bush have been talking up the dollar and sent the dollar on a few day rally It came off yesterday. Fed fund futures are showing a increaase to over 3% by early next year. Ggenerally gov't intervention to strengthen a currency doesn't work in the long run.
Lehman is looking for 4 billion and a Korean bank is said to be close to putting some cash in. Bernanke told banks last week that it would be a good idea to raise some capital.
The U.S. has printed so much money that it can't control the fall . Maybe if there was a coordinated effort by all major banks then something could be done. JC Trichet , EU Bank head, talked about raising rates last week. The EU has 1 mandate - inflation, the US has 2 - growth and inflation.
Korea's export lead economy is fine with a low won. I think we're in for a worldide recession or severe slowdown, especially if oil prices stay high. Remember China heavily subsudizes oil. Indonesia, Malaysia and India have recently taken off subsidies, if China does then maybe that can reduce the price of oil. |
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i
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: |
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The dollar seemed to peak 14 days ago. That's shortly after I arrived and exchanged. It's been dropping a bit ever since. Still have some US$, but been holding on to see if it will come back up a bit to around 1064 like it was. But I think they are both dropping. It's just the $ is dropping a little more. |
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tigerbluekitty
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think if Korea continues to remain unopen and unfriendly towards foreigners, the Won will continue to fall and the Korean economy will continue to tumble. No one likes supporting unfriendly, racist people unless they have to. Korea has nothing crucial to offer the world. |
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Zenas

Joined: 17 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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It's going to take more than talk to save the dollar, much more.
With the dollar being the world's reserve currency since about 1945, the US has been able to inflate it's currency for over 60 years. What we have now is a dollar that is worth 2 cents of what it was in 1945. What is being discussed now is that 2 cents.
The dollar is finished. As Jim Rogers said, who wisely moved out of the US to Singapore, the private Fed banksters "threw the dollar out the window." Any currency tied - aka pegged, to the dollar is going down with it. That is why countries, such as Vietnam are letting go of their dollar peg. The dollar is going to crash and burn, by design, to be replaced by the Amero.
Fiat debt currency, ie. the dollar, by definition, needs, in fact demands continual printing and hence devaluing. Every dollar in existence was loaned out with interest. To pay that interest, more money had to be printed. You can't pay back the loan with the interest with only the original amount loaned out. You have to print more currency. Loan + Interest. That increase in the money supply is called inflation. This monetary inflation causes price inflation, more fiat currency chasing fewer goods. Hence the producers of oil, for instance, are demanding more dollars to pay for their resource and this is driving price inflation for most of what we buy, becasuse oil is necessary at just about every production step along the way.
Want to know who is to blame for most of the financial problems we see today?
Look no further than the central banks of the world, particularly the US Federal Reserve System, a private banking corporation controlled by a few, a very few, with their counter parts in Europe, especially London.
The only reason the US has gotten away with inflating it's currency for so long, is that it was the world's reserve currency. People holding dollars are wising up. They know they are playing Old Maid, no one wants to hold the dollar. When they decide to dump the dollar, the game is over.
Meanwhile, they are buying up as much of America's assets as they can. That is why the US government has decided to stop publishing how much direct foreign investment is taking place in the US. If the American people knew how their nation is being sold out from under them, they'd be shocked.
And may actually get off their Mexican made La-Z-Boys and do something, but I doubt it. |
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Bigfeet

Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Zenas wrote: |
The dollar is finished. As Jim Rogers said, who wisely moved out of the US to Singapore, the private Fed banksters "threw the dollar out the window." Any currency tied - aka pegged, to the dollar is going down with it. That is why countries, such as Vietnam are letting go of their dollar peg. The dollar is going to crash and burn, by design, to be replaced by the Amero.
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You're contradicting yourself in this paragraph. Why would countries want to tie their currency to the falling dollar by buying into the Amero? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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The dollar is going to crash and burn, by design, to be replaced by the Amero. |
Granted conspiracy theory paranoia has a lot of entertainment value, but is it really anything to base a prediction on? |
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Zenas

Joined: 17 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Bigfeet wrote: |
Zenas wrote: |
The dollar is finished. As Jim Rogers said, who wisely moved out of the US to Singapore, the private Fed banksters "threw the dollar out the window." Any currency tied - aka pegged, to the dollar is going down with it. That is why countries, such as Vietnam are letting go of their dollar peg. The dollar is going to crash and burn, by design, to be replaced by the Amero.
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You're contradicting yourself in this paragraph. Why would countries want to tie their currency to the falling dollar by buying into the Amero? |
Never said that countries would tie their currency to the dollar by buying into the Amero.
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Granted conspiracy theory paranoia has a lot of entertainment value, but is it really anything to base a prediction on? |
You think the the North American Union and the Amero is a theory? |
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