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Cornfed
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Kuros wrote: |
| No, being married eo ipso doesn't make you a good parent. But its the most common and efficient foundation upon which to become a good parent. The opinions of amateur culture warriors be damned. |
The core problem with raising children within the agricultural/industrial paradigm is that they can be isolated from the rest of society and brainwashed by predatory women. Beliefs that confer a short-term advantage on women and all manner of other nonsense are thus spread like genetic diseases, and the whole human race is crippled from birth.
Marriage does not solve this problem. Indeed, it is how it is generally implemented. It merely mitigates the damage compared to the appalling alternative of solo-mothers. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Here is only 1 small aspect of what can make marriage great.
My husband and I have different hobbies. He helps me with mine, I help him with his. Together we can each undertake much larger projects (and finish them well!) than if we were not married because we have each others' help. Our combined knowledge and efforts make for getting absolutely *great stuff* done.
We're presently developing 40 acres into our family's "playground."
Not a small project!
We have a fantastic life together  |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'm an atheist, but I do want to get married. Not now, but within the next five years. Obviously not for religious reasons.
Why? Because life is boring when you go it alone. People are isolated enough as it is. I want to find someone I can connect to so that we can go it together, and that makes life more meaningful to me.
I don't understand why people wouldn't want to be married. I think it's cynical to entertain the notion of changing loves every couple of years (or weeks). Real love takes time, and with respect to the whole contract of marriage... if you know each other really well and feel that it will always work out, worrying about it is secondary.
Some bitter folk might tell me otherwise, but I know quite a few happily married people who give me great confidence in the matter. If you find the right person, then it's all good. Married doesn't always mean settling either. I know some people who got married and then started travelling / doing everything they wanted to do together. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: |
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I don't understand why people wouldn't want to be married. |
You sound like my grandmother, mother of five kids. "I don't understand why you don't want kids!"
Or, you sound like my brother, "I don't understand why you want to live in another country."
Or, you sound like my younger cousin, "I don't understand why you left the state to go to college."
Is it REALLY that hard to understand that people may make life choices different than you AND that those decisions are best for THEM? Is your mind that closed?
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Marriage is so good, I want 2 wives.
Cammryn Mannheim is not on my list, and neither is any osteporosis ravagaged adjumma. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
Marriage is so good, I want 2 wives.
Cammryn Mannheim is not on my list, and neither is any osteporosis ravagaged adjumma. |
No need to be shy and reticent.
Just convert to islam and you get four. You however need to be able to support them all.
And, unfortunately, for whatever reason, 99% of Muslim women turn into "Cammryn Mannhein" immediately after the birth of your first child and then only get larger from there. (and they're fairly zaftig before the kids too!) |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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While I do strongly belive that marriage is a choice not a necessity, I also believe that the number one reason why most people "don't want to get married" is that they are generally young and most importantly "not ready." When you are ready and you will know when you are ready, you will be like wow, I want to get married.
Why is that? It is not so simple. You just connect with this other person and you want to be with them.
Do you really need a piece of paper saying your married? No. But, it is kind of cool too.
People go bungy jumping; people travel around the world; people eat strange and exotic things; climb mountains and ford rivers...
Why?
They are into the experience. Mariage too. It is an experience that most people want.
It can be a lot of fun! |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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For those of you of the Buddhist persuasion or interest:
I heard this once:
If you want to be enlightened, you should do one of three things (I am going to change the order):
1. Go to Jail
2. Join a monestary
3. Get married
Why? You need to learn to transcend the self. Give up your ego and see the "oneness" that is everything.
Most people who don't want to get married have very strong egos. Life is about themselves. They cannot see the value of other people in their lives or it is of not of as great an importance as themselves.
Most people who are successful at marriage, either marry someone stronger or weaker than themselves and like that or see things greater than their personal selves such as caring for another and the benefit of being cared for.
Again, is the piece of paper essential? No. But, it can help. It gives a focus and a goal. Not everything in society is antagonistic of the individual. Some things do help us. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Back to the sociology of marriage:
Another point of marriage is division of labor. Regardless of how you want to see the roles of men and women or same sex couples, there are numerous advantages to a division of labor.
The nuclear family unit has advantages over the individual but it is not as encumbersome as an extended family. It certainly is not perfect but it has more advantages than disadvantages. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Show me a great love than Christ dying for you and me and if you can I will give up my faith. |
Show me he really died this way. Because I also have a book that says Zeus did a lot of crazy things for love too. |
Tell me a better story. There is no greater story. |
What's so great about this story in the first place. According to christians it was predestined, no? Not like Jesus had any choice. And surely he knew he was the son of god and had heaven waiting for him. If I'm raising the dead, I'm pretty sure there's a cush after life for me. So we asked Jesus to trade a crap life in a desert for a fluffy white fly-absent heaven. And Jesus knew that was in the trade. You may as well ask me to respect you because you made the choice to open the men's room door to empty your bladder.
Sorry, if this is what you believe is a great story, I'm not going to waste my time trying to get you hooked on Gabo. |
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fiveeagles
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Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think it was God's choice for man to sin? No. Though he predestines and knows what is going to happen...there are a multiple of choices that man has to go through to get to those places in time. Even Jesus was sweating blood in prayer over his choice. He didn't want to go to the cross, but he knew it was his father's will.
Also, Jesus isn't fully omniscient. He doesn't know all things. Only the Father knows all things. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Atavistic wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
I don't understand why people wouldn't want to be married. |
You sound like my grandmother, mother of five kids. "I don't understand why you don't want kids!"
Or, you sound like my brother, "I don't understand why you want to live in another country."
Or, you sound like my younger cousin, "I don't understand why you left the state to go to college."
Is it REALLY that hard to understand that people may make life choices different than you AND that those decisions are best for THEM? Is your mind that closed? |
I don't want to have kids either.
Yes, I understand how people want to make different choices than me. No, I'm not that closed minded.
When I said "I don't understand why people wouldn't want to be married", I was more referring to a long term, monogamous relationship in general and not so much the legal contract that is marriage. The legal contract is a small insignificant part of the actual process in my mind, and the relationship itself is more important.
Let me rephrase: "why would anyone not want to be in a committed, monogamous relationship for a long time?" That's something I don't understand. Coming to Korea made me realize that monogamy is dying off in both the West and the East. It's hard to meet people who aren't cynical towards monogamous relationships anymore, and it's equally as hard to find a partner who shares the same views about monogamy as I do (ie: monogamy = good).
Yes, I understand how people make different life choices than me, but I don't think a life of multiple partners without any plan to settle down is any better. I'm sure a cocaine junkie is more happy than I am in the present, but they won't always be if they don't ditch the habit. Same goes for everyone who has abandoned monogamy or the idea of being intertwined with someone. I can understand how they are happier than me on a day to day basis, but at the end of it all, if I find someone to settle down with I'll be happy with age and they'll just be empty and bitter.
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Do you think it was God's choice for man to sin? No. Though he predestines and knows what is going to happen...there are a multiple of choices that man has to go through to get to those places in time. Even Jesus was sweating blood in prayer over his choice. He didn't want to go to the cross, but he knew it was his father's will.
Also, Jesus isn't fully omniscient. He doesn't know all things. Only the Father knows all things. |
So "God" can see the future and knows exactly how things will unfold, yet somewhere in that equation men are given freedom of choice? How can we have choice in a deterministic universe? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think it was God's choice for man to sin? No. Though he predestines and knows what is going to happen...there are a multiple of choices that man has to go through to get to those places in time. Even Jesus was sweating blood in prayer over his choice. He didn't want to go to the cross, but he knew it was his father's will.
Also, Jesus isn't fully omniscient. He doesn't know all things. Only the Father knows all things. |
You can't have pre-destiny and choice at the same time. If an omnipotent, omniscient god predestines and knows what will happen then we have no choice but to act accordingly. If we were created by a god who knew exactly what we would do then that god is entirely to praise and blame for all the actions of humanity and we are meaningless puppets acting out some part of a bigger script we have absolutely no control over. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Even Jesus was sweating blood in prayer over his choice. He didn't want to go to the cross, but he knew it was his father's will. |
Why? He knew for a fact there was a god and a heaven? He knew it was certainly better than the desert he was living in.
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| Also, Jesus isn't fully omniscient. He doesn't know all things. Only the Father knows all things. |
Really now? Isn't that one of those heresies you good christians used to kill each other over? I thought the trinity was one god. |
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Nomadder
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't there already a thread about God?
Aren't there several?
Any more thoughts on marriage? If so, please continue.
If not, then please... At least let this thread die with dignity. |
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